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NL2/3. Preflop Decision with Two Hands NL2/3. Preflop Decision with Two Hands

11-20-2023 , 03:12 PM
For both hands, effective stack is 100bb.

Hand 1

Just sit down at the table for 20 minutes and each player is unknown to me. I open UTG2 w JTs to $15. HJ and BU call. SB 3bets to $67. To me, if I call the two callers behind me haven't shown much aggression so far yet and are probably going to call as well. Plus, my hand welcomes multiway. The 3Bet size isn't large either since the two callers put in $15 each which offers better odds. My concern is that one of the two callers may 4Bet if I just call...

Assume SB is unknown, is it an easy call?


Hand 2

I open LJ with 77 to $15. HJ (loose pre and straightforward post) calls. Unknown BU (young and running good) calls too. BB 3bets all-in to $65.

Assume BB is unknown, should I fold, 4Bet (to push out the two callers behind), or call (again, if I flat, is it a meaningful concern that one of the two callers may read weakness of my hand and 4Bet with hands like AQo, 99-TT)?
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11-20-2023 , 05:41 PM
H1:

I open fold preflop simply cuz I highly doubt whether small suited broadway is profitable for me in EP in most lineups.

Trivial fold to the 3bet, imo. He's raised it $50 more which is a hugenormous 1/6th of our stack (decimating any IO), all told for a huge 22% of our stack (which we should never be attempting to get in preflop with J high), plus we could easily be dominated by anyone else who calls.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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11-20-2023 , 05:43 PM
H2:

I would limp in but that's me.

I assume 3bets are mostly strong hands until shown otherwise, so another trivial fold for me preflop (as the IO simply aren't there due to this huge sizing relative to our fairly smallish stacks).

ETA: Whoops, I didn't notice this was an all-in sizing (which at this depth with this dead money could be as wide as ATC). I'd probably re-raise smallish (maybe even a minraise) to isolate against all but the most nittiest.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Last edited by gobbledygeek; 11-20-2023 at 06:06 PM.
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11-20-2023 , 06:03 PM
is this a full table?

if its 6-7 handed JTs open is fine. id fold to the 3b though because of your bad relative position.

if its 9-10 handed JTs should be folded UTG.\

for hand 2 i just shove assuming BB is younger than 60 years old. if not i fold. with the dead money im happy to GII vs AQ-AK and pairs bigger than mine for $65.

dont open limp pre. my pf open limp range in NL is 0 unless im limp rereaising a maniac.
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11-20-2023 , 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
is this a full table?

if its 6-7 handed JTs open is fine. id fold to the 3b though because of your bad relative position.

if its 9-10 handed JTs should be folded UTG.\

for hand 2 i just shove assuming BB is younger than 60 years old. if not i fold. with the dead money im happy to GII vs AQ-AK and pairs bigger than mine for $65.
Both are 9-handed and for Hand 1 I was at UTG+2.

Or Hand 2, do you mean allin with pairs bigger than 99?
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11-20-2023 , 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
H1:

I open fold preflop simply cuz I highly doubt whether small suited broadway is profitable for me in EP in most lineups.
GcluelessNLnoobG
So, in a 9-handed game, what smallest suited connector(s) do you open with at each position below:

1. UTG
2. UTG1
3. UTG2
4. LJ
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11-20-2023 , 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PocketKings
Both are 9-handed and for Hand 1 I was at UTG+2.

Or Hand 2, do you mean allin with pairs bigger than 99?

pf open is fine then. fold to the 3bet. the problem is that you are in the sandwich seat which is the worst seat in poker, i hate it even more than being first to act.

hand 2 i meant all pairs bigger than what your holding is. with the dead money your range is fine equity wise as long as villian has some AK, AQ stuff in there.
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11-21-2023 , 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PocketKings
So, in a 9-handed game, what smallest suited connector(s) do you open with at each position below:

1. UTG
2. UTG1
3. UTG2
4. LJ
I play in a 10 handed game (although it often plays 9 handed as someone is going to the washroom, etc.).

Position-wise, I really only see EP and LP. You're either in position or you ain't. You get no prize for being OOP in the HJ versus being OOP in UTG, you're just OOP. So in my 10 handed game, UTG thru LJ is pretty much all the same to me: EP.

I also employ a limp/reraise strategy, so I actually have 0% raising range in LJ- (i.e. EP). And I simply nit it up in EP, basically playing (i.e. open limping) 77+/AQo+/ATs+/KQs because I doubt much more is profitable for me in my game OOP.

Not saying it's right/wrong, just saying that's the method that seems to have worked ~ok for me in my game with my skillz set.

In general, if you're crushing your game you can probably do whatever you want from anywhere. But if you're struggling in your game, the first thing you should look at doing is like lopping off 50% of the hands you're currently playing in EP.

Ggoodluck!G
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