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NL2/3. Another turn decision with AhTc NL2/3. Another turn decision with AhTc

11-01-2024 , 06:19 PM
Effective stack $600.

BB is a 2/3 reg who likes raises big and bet big - overplaying compared to other 2/3 regs. He is able to bluff too.

8 handed. UTG limps, UTG2 raises to $18 and I call at HJ with AhTc. BB and UTG calls.

Flop: AcKc4c

Checked to me I bet $25. BB check-raised to $75. Folded to me and I called.

Turn: 4h

BB bets $105. I?
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11-01-2024 , 06:24 PM
I apologize...I had AhQc, not AhTc.
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11-01-2024 , 08:21 PM
pf is bad given description of the big blind. should be 3b or fold to get him out because AQ is not a hand you want to be facing bluffs with. i would only call with PP's here to set mine vs a bluffer. pp's are great vs bluffers. big unpaired hands not so much.

as played flop is even worse as you have no idea what do you if you get CR'd.

as played turn seems like an obvious call and see what happens on the river.
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11-01-2024 , 09:01 PM
I agree with nittyoldman1, either 3bet or fold pre in general, but vs this type of guy who likes big bets (meaning he's calling like 100% if not 4betting) and likes to bluff (meaning he can easily bluff us out post flop) and he's opening very early (stronger range) I would just fold.
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11-01-2024 , 09:17 PM
To clarify, the bluffy reg is in the BB, not UTG2.

I'm not keen on turning AQo into a bluff vs UTG limp and UTG2 6x open range. What do we do when BB gets a wild hair and 4!s over our 3! given our read? Though at least we then get to watch and see what UTG & UTG2 do. And 3! should buy us the button. With one caller (?), 3! to 50-60 should knock the SPR down to 4 to 5-1 ish.

Ap, we have the nut flush draw, a pot of 72 with 580 back, and we can take a free card? I get we want some more $ in it with TP and our draw, but...

As it is, bluffy reg over called pf. V shouldn't have AK, AA, KK. Only thing there should be 44 (I guess A4 too) or a lower flush draw, or a mountain valley's amount of air. You beat most of that.

(Edit, missed the board pair at first. Well, if he's quads, or the 2 combos of A4s, so be it. And with a 1/2 pot ish turn bet, V probably did blunder into 4's full.)

Call turn makes it 437 pot, 400 back. Sure, call.
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11-01-2024 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nh,gg.
To clarify, the bluffy reg is in the BB, not UTG2.

I'm not keen on turning AQo into a bluff vs UTG limp and UTG2 6x open range. What do we do when BB gets a wild hair and 4!s over our 3! given our read? Though at least we then get to watch and see what UTG & UTG2 do. And 3! should buy us the button. With one caller (?), 3! to 50-60 should knock the SPR down to 4 to 5-1 ish.

Ap, we have the nut flush draw, a pot of 72 with 580 back, and we can take a free card? I get we want some more $ in it with TP and our draw, but...

As it is, bluffy reg over called pf. V shouldn't have AK, AA, KK. Only thing there should be 44 (I guess A4 too) or a lower flush draw, or a mountain valley's amount of air. You beat most of that.

(Edit, missed the board pair at first. Well, if he's quads, or the 2 combos of A4s, so be it. And with a 1/2 pot ish turn bet, V probably did blunder into 4's full.)

Call turn makes it 437 pot, 400 back. Sure, call.
bluffers bluff postflop, and they dont bluff pre vs an EP raise and a 3bet. they arent stupid.

that said i hate folding AQ pre but if there is any time to do it this is probably the time.
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11-02-2024 , 09:37 PM
I called turn and river comes a blank like 6h. BB bets $200. I?
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11-02-2024 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketKings
I called turn and river comes a blank like 6h. BB bets $200. I?
You said initially this V is bluffy and likes to bet big. Albeit I'd really feel a lot better calling a shove from this player type vs 1/2 turn, 1/2 river. Just seems like how this type tries to milk value IME.

Have you seen this V bluff this way before? Multistreet and geometrically?

Yet again, it's a big mistake if we fold facing 200 to win a pot of 637(?). We have to be sure a lot here that we're beat.

Still, I'm folding here. Kudos to you if you called and held. I'm still wondering if they blundered into 4s full of aces.

Curious how Le Solver handles this. We have to be sure A LOT that they're doing this with anything beating a pair of aces vs getting entitled with a pair of kings or worse and some whiffed draws, for us to fold. But my pool's bluffy aggrofish play fat value exactly like this. It's the shoves you get confident facing.
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11-03-2024 , 01:05 AM
3b or fold pre, it's really spewy to coldcall a 6x iso from these positions. You get squeezed a nonzero % of the time, and even if you go postflop, you'll often be facing a cbet with multiple players to act.

Vs smaller opens it's fine to do some coldcalling, but you can't be losing 6bb everytime you get squeezed.
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11-04-2024 , 02:11 PM
Trivial fold preflop for me facing this big a raise from this early position from our non LP position with this often dominated hand.

Next time post pot size on each street so we know what we're dealing with.

With overplaybee BB in the mix, I check behind on the flop because I really don't want to get check/raised. We have a weak showdownable hand with perhaps a draw that might be good so we don't want a big pot. Against more ABC straightforward players I'd be ok with a bet/fold.

Think I could get behind a turn call. With a lot of the big clubs out there isn't a bunch of made flush combos (QJcc, and ?). We're chopping with other Ax and our draw might be good.

Not going to love life UI on river facing another bet though.

ETA: Knowing now that we have AxQc: still folding preflop (I'm a nit), more reason to check back flop to not get check/raised, and sigh calling to river. Gross spot on river since we have the card we want him to be bluffing with.

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11-04-2024 , 04:13 PM
Fold preflop, although 3bet would just about be OK. Calling with AQo is ghastly, especially 200BB deep.

With top pair and the nut flush draw you're entitled to bet this once the PFR checks, although they may well just check AK or a set.

The issue I have is that the BB shouldn't ever have any flush draws if he is a reg unless he's doing this with something like 9c9x. His bluffs are probably complete air for the most part. That said, there still have to be bluffs in his range, there aren't many flushes left, and most of the sets and two pair won't be in his range. The turn card is a good one, seems like an easy call now. I'd call river as well although still concerned that there are few natural bluffs assuming he's not calling from the blinds with offsuit rubbish.
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11-05-2024 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketKings
Effective stack $600.

BB is a 2/3 reg who likes raises big and bet big - overplaying compared to other 2/3 regs. He is able to bluff too.

8 handed. UTG limps, UTG2 raises to $18 and I call at HJ with AhTc. BB and UTG calls.

Flop: AcKc4c

Checked to me I bet $25. BB check-raised to $75. Folded to me and I called.

Turn: 4h

BB bets $105. I?
Quote:
Originally Posted by PocketKings
I apologize...I had AhQc, not AhTc.
Don't think I'm folding AQo pre, but I do think it's better to 3B than to flat call.

Probably just checking back on the flop, but maybe not. If I bet, it would be smaller, like $10 or $15.

As played pre, not folding the flop to the x/r. Like, what the hell is this guy trying to rep, when we have TPTK and the NFD? He's doing this with JcXc or 44? A4? I don't buy it.

As played on flop, I'm not folding turn. His turn bet smells like BS even more than his flop x/r.

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Originally Posted by PocketKings
I called turn and river comes a blank like 6h. BB bets $200. I?
He's betting $200 into $432?

I call. His line is FOS. If he's got a better hand, so be it. Nice hand. Good game.
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11-14-2024 , 04:37 PM
FWIW. I folded river.
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11-14-2024 , 05:26 PM
No reveal?

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