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10-21-2009 , 07:10 PM

dmkai3

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Villain is standard TAG 18/15/2.8 over a couple hundred hands. Also worth noting is his agg freq by street is 59%/16%/18% I don't play much FR so sorry if my questions are obvious. Two questions:

1. Is 3 bet getting it on the flop which is what I was going for bad?
2. How do you play this turn?

Full Tilt Poker $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players

CO: $1892.50
BTN: $475.00
SB: $218.70
Hero (BB): $1685.75
UTG: $1277.50
UTG+1: $2134.00
MP1: $182.00
MP2: $177.50

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BB with Q

4 folds, CO raises to $20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $75, CO requests TIME, CO calls $55

Flop: ($155.00) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $110, CO requests TIME, CO raises to $245, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $680, CO requests TIME, CO calls $435

Turn: ($1515.00) 7

(2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero... (has $930 left)

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10-21-2009 , 08:28 PM

Rampage_Jackson

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I would call that flop raise usually. It was small and might just be a weak bluff... I think with sets people bet bigger there generally.

I don't see how the flop 3-bet isn't a bluff. I can't think of a single hand we would be a favorite over if we get allin... because even if he has the flush draw, 1 or 2 overcards is likely.

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10-21-2009 , 09:58 PM

dmkai3

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Perhaps I overplayed it on the flop but I was hoping to get all in on the flop against a straight draw, flush draw, JJ, top pair, etc.

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10-21-2009 , 10:35 PM

sparky999

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been playing a little too much 6-max me thinks

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10-21-2009 , 10:46 PM

Ricky1231

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Welcome to the world of nits. Idk, who was villain and I'll tell you if it's right bet and get in on the flop.

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10-22-2009 , 01:24 AM

Rampage_Jackson

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Originally Posted by dmkai3

Perhaps I overplayed it on the flop but I was hoping to get all in on the flop against a straight draw, flush draw, JJ, top pair, etc.

For 100 BB I think that would be fine. With over 150 BB it seems way too thin. If you were in villain's shoes, would you be 4-bet shoving that flop with JJ or AT?

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10-22-2009 , 04:57 PM

Fishlips_Jones

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Not a NL player, so I have some questions.

1. With stacks this deep are we generally willing to committ all-in on this flop?

2. I think you made your committment decision with the flop reraise, and are now pot stuck, and so is your opponent, no? So, as played, put it all in on the turn.

I don't feel your hand is strong enough, given the stack sizes, to commit. I would fold to his flop raise.

I feel that generally, with stacks this deep, I want a minimum of top two pair on the flop before I will be willing to get it all-in by the river. Does that make me a nit?

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10-23-2009 , 05:45 AM

sparky999

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yes

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10-23-2009 , 08:24 AM

lucknotskill

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so u wanna have 106? 106=QQ here sir
that being said this hand is major butchered.
that being said i def coulda played it worse.

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10-23-2009 , 10:49 AM

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Williegb

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What if villains fold to 3-bet and 4-bet stat? Also, do you have history BvB or in 3-bet pots?

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10-23-2009 , 11:54 AM

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jimmyvjv13

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Shove turn.

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10-23-2009 , 12:28 PM

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SirRaisealot

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more pre, call flop, now push

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10-25-2009 , 08:58 PM

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Ricky1231

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I dont like a call on the flop but I may have to think some more about it. 100bb and the flop call is probably insanely bad.

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10-27-2009 , 01:00 AM

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Rampage_Jackson

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Originally Posted by Ricky1231

I dont like a call on the flop but I may have to think some more about it.

I like it only because the alternatives are worse of folding to a small raise, or bluffing. Agree with 100 BB calling isn't great.

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10-27-2009 , 04:25 AM

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ranka

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Originally Posted by SirRaisealot

more pre, call flop, now push

NOOOOOOOOOOOO. 3bet size is good, also with so deep you may call only. Flop 3bet is overplay.

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