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Originally Posted by illiterat
I think you have more fold equity against 88 if you shove the flop, maybe even some against JxTs. Calling will often have him betting turn bricks into you and then sigh calling because there's too much in.
Much prefer call with AsQ/AsK where you can hit top pair on the turn.
Also sometimes people can find the fold if a 2 hits the turn and they have 8s7s.
Honestly, how often do you think people playing 1/2 or 1/3 are limping in pre, and then check-raising monotone flops as a bluff with hands like 88, one spade? It doesn't seem to be very often.
If someone is creative enough to do it, they may be good enough to fold to a 3B jam. But they may also be crazy enough to YOLO call the jam, or level themselves into calling because they don't think we'd 3B jam with the nuts.
They wouldn't be entirely wrong. At low stakes, a lot of players are going to slow-play the nuts at least as often, if not more often than they'll fast play, when a 3B jam for 4x the last bet (also a 1.5x pot over-bet) is going to mostly get folds, because it looks so nutted.
Likewise, how often is there going to be another flush card, and how often are 1/2 and 1/3 players folding their flopped flushes when that happens? Again, it doesn't seem to happen all that often.
Jamming flop with A6o just seems a little too spewy against the population at 1/2 and 1/3.