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NL 2/3 8 Handed - Nut flush draw 3-way pot vs very loose CL NL 2/3 8 Handed - Nut flush draw 3-way pot vs very loose CL

08-17-2022 , 04:08 AM
Hi all,



it's been really long since the last time I posted a hand.. I got the chance to start to play regularly live again just recently after a few years of stop (I just move back to US)



I would like to understand what are your thoughts about the best action for the following hand.



SB is a very loose player (almost a maniac when he has a good stack) is the CL at the table with 900$

Hero - I'm in HJ position with a little more than 600$

BTN - Played just a few hands and I have no specific info or read on him yet , he's playing 205$



SB posts 2$

BB posts 3$

everybody else before me folds

Hero bets 15$ with Ah Jd

BTN calls 15$

SB calls 15$

BB folds



Flop monotone 5h 6h 8h



SB checks

Hero bets 20$

BTN goes all-in for 190$ total

SB calls 190$



Hero?



What's the best line here?

Last edited by CrazyBaz85; 08-17-2022 at 04:33 AM.
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08-17-2022 , 09:48 AM
There are a lot of scenarios where you are getting nowhere close to the right price to call (one has a set and the other has a flush; or they both have flushes and one of them has a flush with the 7h), and only a few where it’s break-even.

Fold and find a better spot.
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08-17-2022 , 12:16 PM
Thanks for the answer

I agree with you and that’s the same conclusion I reached after “reviewing” the hand post session.

During the session, I played it very bad, probably focusing too much on the history of the CL… I just called the 170$ and folded to a shove on a blank card (Qs) on the turn..

Of the options I had, I believe I made the worst possible decision..


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08-17-2022 , 12:35 PM
I'd check this flop honestly w/o absolute position. AP feels like a fold.
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08-17-2022 , 12:47 PM
You did not play this hand bad. You could have sized down a few bucks on the flop but that's nitpicking.

Your opponents actually are the ones making the mistakes here. Hard to tell who has what, but they are both letting you escape when our assumed EV is negative against logical holdings.

Edit: my mistake, I thought you folded to ch/r. Above advice is for folding flop. My apologies.
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08-17-2022 , 02:36 PM
Yes the call fold is the worst of all worlds.

Based on your read that SB is a maniac I was thinking that the shove with 2 overs and a NFD may not be a bad idea. But it would seem a rare scenario where your overs are good. He'd have to be CRAZY CRAZY.

A weird draw like Kh7x is possible but hard to see that even a maniac would call pre with a lot of those hands.

BTN doesn't have a great hand, likely 2p, a straight, maybe a good draw. He's not shoving with a king high flush here and probably not with trips. He's got better than tp a lot of the time, thinks he is ahead but he feels vulnerable.

SB's call of the huge bet with you left to act indicates he's got something pretty good too, even if he is a maniac.

So we have 9 outs twice in a scenario where it is likely at LEAST 1 other heart is missing. So probably 8 outs twice. If we had a smaller stack we could consider a call but it's a fold for me in this spot.
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08-17-2022 , 09:54 PM
Thanks all for the answers!

I honestly polarized SB range too much in my head to any flush draw with a pair/flopped straight with a hearts redraw that I made a stupid call: I say stupid because I believe that at that point it's still a fold and the only other option is a shove all-in (that in any case I don't like at this point, because even if he has a pair with a draw we are still 50% 50% at best).

It doesn't change the line I should have used of course, but just if you are curious about it, that's how the pot ended:

Turn Qs
River 4h

SB shows Qh6c and BTN just shows a 6s and mucks the other.
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