$2/5 live, 4-handed at must move
V1- $850
V2- $150
Hero covers
Hero AcKh from BB

Action: UTG opens $15, SB flats, hero 3-bets $75, two calls
Flop: KcQc7d ($217 in pot)
Flop action: SB $75 all in, hero raise $175, UTG raises $500, hero folds.

I would have just called the SB shove.

This spot is gross but I don’t think fold is too nitty. No reads but UTG is never bluffing here. You are chopping with his worst value hand. I think QQ is very likely. You are actually near the bottom of your value range believe it or not (you have AA/KK/QQ/KQs). He could be doing this with TJcc or AJcc but those hands still have robust equity. Unless you know he is a button clicker, I don’t like it.

I had the Ace of clubs. I felt like that made his bluffing less likely but idk maybe that should push me to call because I have BD equity? Not sure how to feel about holding the Ac.

Missed that you had the Ac. It should further influence a fold. Blocking his most likely semibluffs only worsens your equity against his range and is more important than your backdoor equity.

You were chopping at best. Nice disciplined fold.

Appreciate the feedback. It felt like a gross spot but I ended up folding relatively quickly. I just couldn’t think of many bluffs in his range

Without seeing result I fold, expecting to see KQo a lot. We have KK QQ and hes still raising.

With the Ac in our hand, I think we can just flat call SB's jam.

As played, I think we have to fold. When UTG just flats our 3B pre, he could have more KQ/77 than AK in his range. At this stack depth, he might even have QQ in his range. When we're blocking the nut flush draw, he has fewer bluffs.

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That is how I analyzed it in real time. I didn’t like holding the Ace of clubs and could not think of many bluffs beside JTs and maybe just the one combo of JTcc. I kind of discounted the SB because he was tilted (we just got it in $650 pre and my AK hit quads) so I raised to what I would bet heads up against UTG.

I was a bit baffled when he showed up with AK since I had AA, KK, QQ and Laws in range. Also I squeeze some with KQo but probably not against UTG open. But kudos to him for pushing me out of the hand.

I would just flat the 75, if I raise I would be thinking about what I'm doing if UTG raises, and if I have to fold then I wouldn't raise in the first place.

After he raises and we hold the Ac it discounts FD's so he's likely got a made hand. He raised UTG and flatted a 3bet so QQ and KK is in his range as well as a slow played AA sometimes too.

FWIW I would bet 60 pre but that's just nit picking.

My standard 3-bet OOP is 4x. I went 5x due to squeezing the SB flat. What sizing do you use in OOP squeezing?

Ok you're right I thought you were otb

What do you use for your 4b sizings? I don’t have a pre-planned sizing in my strategy yet.

My 4bet sizes depend on the situation, and if I'm 4b/folding as a bluff or 4betting for value and hoping to gii. For me the sizing isn't as cut and dry as 3bets, I tend to fly by the seat of my pants in those hands.

Haha ok good. It comes up so rarely but in my session last night I had two 4b spots. I just jammed all in both situations because it seemed like the best approach in the moment.

Ive been playing a lot of 2/3 live lately that actually plays a lot bigger bc theres usually a 10 straddle on and even without the straddle there will be 3 limpers and someone opening to 30 or 35.

One of the most difficult things to deal with is people overvaluing their hands so often and by such a large degree so its hard to know sometimes when you are folding correctly against strength.

Last night i 3bet pre from BB w QQ and got called by CO. I cbet a low dry flop and he raised and i jammed and he snap called off another 100bb w AKo w no backdoors whatsoever. I thought for sure he had aces when he snapped. I saw another player take a 3/4, 3/4, all in line in position vs an OMC with bottom 2 on a middle 4 straight board and get called by OMCs top pair. I could not believe it. Its actually a pretty difficult game if you arent getting nutted even though the players are mostly very bad bc they will get very aggressive with hands they shouldnt.

Those are insane lines to me. To your point, I am not sure I can beat the rake honestly. I have been humbled a lot recently. I play mostly $1/3 without the straddles but the $2/5 looked good so I jumped into the must move 2 times but it quickly got down to 3 handed so I just went back to $1/3 both times.

Insane lines is right. Im down in the game pretty decently as im running pretty bad and its a high variance game as you can with my examples.

Only a few hands after i doubled up w the queens I got queens again and got it all in pre vs same player and of course he had aces so i lost most of my profit right back. Then i lost another big pot shortly after when my middle 2 pair got counterfeited by runner runner deuces vs OMC calling down big bets w a trash no kicker top pair.

I busted out finally w AKs vs a bad reg who called off 100bb jam pre w KQ and hit a straight. I may run out of bankroll before i actually win even though im a huge favorite in the game.

Im in the same boat where i dont want to play in the 1/2 game thats available bc of the rake and players are mostly extremely passive so there is little money to be made in it. I started in the 1/2 and moved to 2/3 as soon as a seat opened. I may be forced to play the 1/2 very soon though if things dont change. The drop is $6 though which is huge in 1/2. Very difficult to make real money in it unless there are some real splashy players in the game.

That drop is $5 max, 10% rake and $3 jackpot for both $1/3 and $2/5. I just am a losing player at $2/5 most nights, so I am not ready yet to do full $2/5.

Sounds like you have been running extremely bad. Hang in there!

I’ll give you an example from one of my “bad beats” from last night.

Hero 4d4h in HJ, 8-handed $1/3
Hero open $10, BTN, SB and BB call
Flop As2h8c
Checks through
Turn 4s
SB $25, BB calls, hero raise $100, sB all in $150, BB shoves all in $204 total. Hero call
BB shows 35o and it holds.

Yea that's rough, i mean you cant get away from that hand. It sucks when they have it, but you have no way to know that bc they can just as easily show up with some trash ace or 82 with that action thinking its the nuts or just be throwing it in w a flush draw.

Here's to running good again

Lots of stuff going on here.

People will play AK different ways at different stack depths in different positions, and AKo differently than AKs. This hand is a good example why it can be good not to just blast off with it pre. By just flatting your 3B in position, he keeps his range wide enough to credibly rep KQ / 77 and push us off a chop.

So, if he's a guy who just always 4B's AK pre, we can just flat call SB's jam, and fold if UTG raises over our call. But when we raise over the jam, and UTG 3B's, it's just an auto-snap-fold.

If he's a guy who can sometimes flat call your 3B with AK pre, it puts us in a tougher spot.

If we knew he had AK, obviously we should raise over SB's jam to push UTG off a chop. But if we raise here, we should still fold when he re-raises - even if we KNOW he has AK in his flat-calling range pre, because he still has KQ / 77 in his range, and the best we could hope for is a chopped pot against AK.

Even if we have AA, he can still rep KQ / 77, and put us in a tough spot.

You played it fine with your 5x 3B pre. With the Ac in our hand, we can just flat SB's jam, because we have the backdoor-draws, and we might be able to rep the nut flush if it comes to that. We shouldn't be raising with the Ac in our hand, because we'd prefer V to have it. It would be different if the board was KdQc7c, making it possible for us to have AKcc.

Even then - I still think we have to fold here, as played. AKcc is still only 44% against KQs on a flop of KdQc7c, and crushed by 77. If he ever flat calls our 3B with QQ or KK pre - fuhgeddaboutit. The way this was played, against a good V, I might fold everything but KK / QQ.

It's a strange line by V. This seems like one of those spots where V doesn't know if he's raising for value or as a bluff. Obviously we're never folding KK or QQ here. If he's a halfway competent player, it's hard to imagine he thought he could get you to fold AA or KQ by repping exactly 2P or a set, or that he'd take this line to target your AQ combos - and only those combos - for value.

Wow thank you for the detailed response. It sounds like I thought about it rationally in real time and made a good fold.

I did not think to just call the SB jam. If I ever find myself in that position again I think I’ll just call.

After this hand I went back to $1/3 because I wasn’t sure about my play at the time.

You made a small mistake raising over the jam, but otherwise played it fine.

I think V made a mistake by overplaying his hand. He had the advantage of position, so this one just worked out in his favor.

Everyone makes mistakes in game. I wouldn't beat yourself up over it.

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