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07-22-2023 , 08:49 AM
I have just started playing live 1/2 nl cash at my local club, ex micro/small stakes online winning tourny player its been a long time...

Villian has only been at the table about an hour and is defiantly a decent player and known regular, I am new here but probably seen as rather nitty playing pretty tight and have not shown anything but good hands.

I raise to $8 from utg with AsKh, 3 callers

Flop Kxx with 2/spades, 1 check and I bet $25 into $31 and get 1 caller

Turn is a 3rd spade, pot is $81 I am oop and make it $60.

Villian tanks for quite a while verbally expressing concern about me having the nut flush already and talking through my range out loud. He jams.

I have top pair top kicker with the nut flush draw with 1 card to come. I did not take enough time I think to actually process this hand and called with about $150 behind.
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07-22-2023 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by $kate&de$troy
I have just started playing live 1/2 nl cash at my local club, ex micro/small stakes online winning tourny player its been a long time...

Villian has only been at the table about an hour and is defiantly a decent player and known regular, I am new here but probably seen as rather nitty playing pretty tight and have not shown anything but good hands.

I raise to $8 from utg with AsKh, 3 callers

Flop Kxx with 2/spades, 1 check and I bet $25 into $31 and get 1 caller

Turn is a 3rd spade, pot is $81 I am oop and make it $60.

Villian tanks for quite a while verbally expressing concern about me having the nut flush already and talking through my range out loud. He jams.

I have top pair top kicker with the nut flush draw with 1 card to come. I did not take enough time I think to actually process this hand and called with about $150 behind.

At least one likely mistake that I see. I suspect that V is definitely "a decent and known regular," but doubt that V is defiantly "a decent and known regular."

As for the hand, no significant mistakes. I'd likely go to $10 preflop, but $8 is fine. Flop is good for you, and 3/4 pot multiway OOP seems fine. Curious, was the K a spade or the other two? If the other two, there's a likelihood that the caller has KXss. Turn bet of 3/4 pot is again fine with TPTKNFD. I might size down, but still it seems fine. V's table-talk on the turn, followed by the jam, has a "send me home (oops, I have the nuts)" vibe to it, but calling off isn't bad. If you have 150 behind, you're calling 150 to win 351 (81 + 60 + 60 + 150), so are getting about 2.3 to 1 on the call. If he has the flush, you have seven outs (worse than 5-1). If he has a set, you have eight or nine outs (about 4-1). Neither of these are good. If he's overplaying a top-pair/flush draw hand, you're a huge favorite. If he has two pair, you have about 17 outs (about 1.6-1). So a call isn't horrendous, even if you're behind.
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07-22-2023 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TopGun in VA
At least one likely mistake that I see. I suspect that V is definitely "a decent and known regular," but doubt that V is defiantly "a decent and known regular."

As for the hand, no significant mistakes. I'd likely go to $10 preflop, but $8 is fine. Flop is good for you, and 3/4 pot multiway OOP seems fine. Curious, was the K a spade or the other two? If the other two, there's a likelihood that the caller has KXss. Turn bet of 3/4 pot is again fine with TPTKNFD. I might size down, but still it seems fine. V's table-talk on the turn, followed by the jam, has a "send me home (oops, I have the nuts)" vibe to it, but calling off isn't bad. If you have 150 behind, you're calling 150 to win 351 (81 + 60 + 60 + 150), so are getting about 2.3 to 1 on the call. If he has the flush, you have seven outs (worse than 5-1). If he has a set, you have eight or nine outs (about 4-1). Neither of these are good. If he's overplaying a top-pair/flush draw hand, you're a huge favorite. If he has two pair, you have about 17 outs (about 1.6-1). So a call isn't horrendous, even if you're behind.
K on board was non-spade which is a big reason I think he tanked considering his hand.

I really appreciate the detailed reply, if he made the flush ott was something I didn't really calculate in my head as far as only having the 7 outs and if I had correct odds to call off (until I was walking out the door). I am getting a bit older and struggling a bit with doing the math in my head live on the spot/keeping track of everything it was so much easier playing online...

I wanted to be sure I am not making huge mistakes somewhere, was thinking this might have been a way ahead/behind situation or a hand I should have played as a small pot hand using pot control, or could I have bet less giving villian incorrect odds to draw still and been able to get away from the hand otr with only tptk?

How often should I be checking the turn here and why? Can we bet/fold $45 ott?

Villian got there ott with QsJs, trying not to be too results oriented here.

I picked up Harrington on Cash Volume 1 & 2, just started volume 2 and have seen tons of mistakes I used to make in cash games being a tournament player. Any suggestions on what to read/watch and how to improve much appreciated. I have a bankroll/session app tracker I am using and currently have a br of 25 (100bb) buy ins. I am setting a time limit for playing where I leave at x time regardless up or down, or leave if down 2 buy ins. These tables play farely deep 400bb+ common with a 200bb max buy in.

Last edited by $kate&de$troy; 07-22-2023 at 10:08 AM.
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07-22-2023 , 10:46 AM
3 callers means somebody probably has a flush. I would have x/c the turn - live players usually severely under bet the amount they are supposed to. People are barely bluffing at these stakes so bet with good hands and fold to aggression.
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07-22-2023 , 10:58 AM
There are two main mistakes on the turn. The first is the size of the bet on turn. Think about the range of the villain to call your bet on the flop. He could have TP, 2 pair, a set, FD or air. What part of that range is going to call a big bet on the turn that completes a potential FD? TP, 2 pair and air are folding. Maybe a set. And of course, the flush. I would have checked the turn, since you shouldn't be worried about another card coming.


The second mistake is calling the raise on the turn. A poster by the handle of Beluga Whale articulated what was eventually known as the Beluga Theorem. If a villain raises you on the turn after you raised pf, then bet the flop and turn, top pair is no good most of the time. Sure, you have a draw to the nut flush but he is all in and you don't have the pot odds to draw. In addition, the villain told you exactly what he has. He's worried about the nut flush. That means he has a flush You should have folded, not called.
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