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Originally Posted by dacrow
Well yeah, it is. The statement sounded though as the money we make in general comes mainly from folds we get and to 3 in this situation would always be +ev, even considering if we miss, stab and get played back at.
That statement implies that every starting hand could 3-bet in this situation and be +ev.
What he said was,
some players who raise wide also fold most of that range to a 3!, therefore we can profitably 3! vs. those particular players while never even having to cbet.
If someone folds 67% to a 3bet and our 3bet size is 3x, we are breaking even by 3betting with ATC and folding the flop. Up their fold rate at all or reduce our 3! at all, we profit.
So yeah, for NLHE is solved for this exact situation.
He also said,
if this guy flats 100% of his range, we should consider folding instead. If we're OOP vs. a competent aggressive player, a slight hand advantage is not going to be enough to make money.
Most LAGs will fall somewhere between these extremes, which is why we can start by picking a value 3! range only and err on the side of overfolding OOP until we get a better idea of the way they respond to 3!. This kind of person is a good candidate for a 3! with Axss blockers for example, see how they respond. In live low stakes play though, it's harder to make these kind of moves because you have a bunch of stations in the game.
Anyway, point is, there is more going on in Venice's post that a suggestion to robotically 3! OOP.