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03-06-2014 , 03:10 PM
You can post missed SB on the button, essentially by sitting out one hand?
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03-06-2014 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
You can post missed SB on the button, essentially by sitting out one hand?
If this is a simple question then the answer is yes. In some casinos this is allowed.
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03-06-2014 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kkotov100
Here's one of the caveats I run into with my logic here:

On a 10-person table, you're essentially paying $3 to see 10 hands a round. However, if you sit out the SB, then come back to play your button and post the SB on the button, you're seeing only 9 hands a round for the same cost of $3.

However, in those 9 hands, you have the opportunity to win a total of $28 total as opposed to $30 total in ten hands, hence the hidden cost of failing to post n play your small blind: in the long run, you play fewer hands and get a chance to win less money for the same cost, meaning that your button or late position posts would have to have a winrate value add high enough to at least offset the automatic $2 loss per round.

This would indicate that for a player who has a very little variance in his/her winrate based on position, this would be a long-run EV- move. However, if your winrate variance is skewed disproportionally towards late positions, then doing this SB sit-out move could very likely be EV+ in the long run.
There are several logic flaws in this such that I'm not sure it is worthwhile to go over them with you. The biggest is that winrate =/ % winning hands. Until you see that, there is little point in continuing to discuss this.

You can either decide that you win, which is great for everyone that plays against you. Or you might want to think about why people that can think it through more clearly because they aren't invested in proving they are right disagree with you. Up to you, whatever you want to do next.
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03-06-2014 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
You can post missed SB on the button, essentially by sitting out one hand?
Personally, I'm not that bright so I had to draw several pictures to see how no one is forced to pay an extra blind or is skipped. There's a logic to allowing it from the room's point of view. No one other than that person who is doing it is harmed. The room is under no obligation to prevent someone from making a -EV decision.
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03-06-2014 , 09:18 PM
Since I drink a lot of tea/water, I often leave to go to the restroom during my BB and wait to post from the CO when I return. Isn't this the most +EV (or least -EV) time to leave since you're avoiding the worst positions? If you have to miss a hand (or a few hands) and you have to pay, why not leave during your BB? Obviously I'm not saying do it every orbit when you're still sitting at the table, but during times where I have to miss a hand or a few hands, I can't see it being that bad.
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03-06-2014 , 11:05 PM
Am i wrong to say this kind of stuff is simply douchebaggery at the table?

It gets picked up on pretty quickly imho and i would rather people know i am not scared to play oop in Live low limit.

I usually attack the **** out of people that show this kind of weakness. Along with anyone wearing oversized sunglasses and hoodies, or log every hand on to their phone, or lament about the bad cards people play with and win.
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03-07-2014 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dunderstron!
The casino where I play at will NOT allow you to button straddle as you post your dead money, for the obvious reason that you get to straddle for half the price.

Wouldn't it be more profitable to just shove AA from the blinds, fold everything else, and play our button/co normally? I'm missing something here...
yes. and depending on stacks, you can add KK to that shove range preflop and that is also better.
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03-07-2014 , 01:21 PM
Have you guys consider that getting value with KK and AA is factoring into your loss rate?

In other words, if you fold out your opponents every time you get KK+, instead of losing at xbb/hr, you are losing even more with such adjustment.
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03-07-2014 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeMaxX
Since I drink a lot of tea/water, I often leave to go to the restroom during my BB and wait to post from the CO when I return. Isn't this the most +EV (or least -EV) time to leave since you're avoiding the worst positions? If you have to miss a hand (or a few hands) and you have to pay, why not leave during your BB? Obviously I'm not saying do it every orbit when you're still sitting at the table, but during times where I have to miss a hand or a few hands, I can't see it being that bad.
The problem is that you are giving up the button. Even long before there were HUDs, Mike Caro pointed out that if you watched a poker table over time, you'd see that money flows to button. HUDs just proved this. Playing from the button should represent a large portion of your net winnings. If people didn't play the button each orbit, the odds are that many winning players would become BE or losing players. Much better to leave during your EP hands where you're unlikely to be making much net in profit anyway. Your profit from the button far outweighs what you will win in UTG, UTG+1 and UTG+2. And you don't have to post blind.
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03-07-2014 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeMaxX
Since I drink a lot of tea/water, I often leave to go to the restroom during my BB and wait to post from the CO when I return. Isn't this the most +EV (or least -EV) time to leave since you're avoiding the worst positions? If you have to miss a hand (or a few hands) and you have to pay, why not leave during your BB? Obviously I'm not saying do it every orbit when you're still sitting at the table, but during times where I have to miss a hand or a few hands, I can't see it being that bad.
Better to leave at like UTG+1 and then come back for the BB so you don't miss button.
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03-08-2014 , 06:57 AM
Or just play your SB and BTN for the same amount of money and get twice the number of hands.
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