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05-27-2019 , 06:39 AM
Hello Guys,

I am in my third month of learning poker and I am quite enjoying it.

I have been playing microstakes 1/2 and this last month I have hit my stride and finally have a solid win rate. In the last two weeks I have moved to a live game at the local poker club and it has been total mayhem for me.

People say microstakes is insane but I am having trouble adjusting to the craziness of live. Right now at micros I most play 6max and an open of 4x will get one or two calls max.

At the live 10max game I get so frustrated at the number of calls, last session I opened from early position several times for 12x and get anywhere between 5 to 6 calls.

So my question is this, do you basically play as a nit at this point? Do you only continuation bet when you have top pair top kicker or better? Shold you ever c/bet if you miss the pot?

One thing that did work is a big 3/bet if there are 4 or 5 limpers but other than that everything I do online is a bust live so far.
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05-27-2019 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Vecissitude
At the live 10max game I get so frustrated at the number of calls, last session I opened from early position several times for 12x and get anywhere between 5 to 6 calls.
how is this bad for you?
your strong uncapped range goes way up in value with a low spr
just play your hand vs whales
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05-27-2019 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
how is this bad for you?
your strong uncapped range goes way up in value with a low spr
just play your hand vs whales
Well last session I had QQ twice and KK in EP. All 3 times between 5 and 6 callers with 12x open. On the QQ the A came on on flop twice, checked once then folded to a lead, the other I c/bet and folded to aggression on the turn.

With KK came a dry flop UTG donks for 20 into a pot about 80. I decided screw it going to put my foot down and try to get people to respect my opens so I jam, 4 folds.

It's just with so many people in the pot even with KK you don't feel safe, they could easily have hit a 2 pair with any two cards in the deck.

So what is your attitude with a overpair? Overbet the flop? Jam and if they hit a two pair or set so be it? Or just barrel all 3 streets hoping for thin value??? WHat if they donk bet, do you ever try to defend or just say hey he is betting into 6 people he must have the goods and fold top pair middling kicker???

Last edited by Vecissitude; 05-27-2019 at 07:31 AM.
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05-27-2019 , 07:35 AM
If people are calling multiway pots if you open large or small, I would just bet smaller to lose less money when I have to fold.

Playing multiway pots is a skill in Poker as any other. You will get used to it.

Try learning to identify signs of weakness and semi-bluff when you do (hands with equity).
If you have air, just check till river, easy fold if someone bets and try bluffing rivers when you have no showdown the cheapest as posible.

Play more hands with good playability (SCs, AXs, Pocket Pairs) that can turn into monsters, because you will be getting good odds and implied odds on MW pots.

Play less hands without position and alot of hands IP.

That are some of posible adaptations you could do. Some more you should find by yourself by the time.

GL
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05-27-2019 , 07:51 AM
Do you buy in for 100BBs? If so, is keep raising to 12x with your strong range. You could even bump it up a little to 15x. Find a sweet spot where it isn't so large that everyone folds. If you buy in for less than 100bbs you'll find yourself in a lot of low SPR spots postflop. If the SPR is less than 2 you're basically committed with any overpair or top pair good kicker. Just get the money in as efficiently as possible and remember that you want your opponents to stay in the hand. You don't need to jam over their flop donk bet -- you can call or even min raise. You don't need to jam if it checks to you. You can bet 1/2 pot and then 1/2 pot again on the turn. Just play it cool and try not to give away the strength of your hand. Bet so as to give off the impression you could be c-betting with a whiffed Ace high. Oh yeah, and don't c-bet into 6 people with air. Save your cbets for HU or 3way spots.

Last edited by aisrael01; 05-27-2019 at 07:59 AM.
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05-28-2019 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
how is this bad for you?
your strong uncapped range goes way up in value with a low spr
just play your hand vs whales
+1

If uncapped range and SPR are terms unfamiliar to you, study.

"If people are calling multiway pots if you open large or small, I would just bet smaller to lose less money when I have to fold." - vini.barbosa

No, no, no! I'm on mobile which is a pain. Look up thread started by AcePlayerDeluxe that deals with opening size when faced with multiple callers. If people are repeatedly getting in with you PF with a range that you're crushing, bigger is better.

One of the things to determine when you first sit down - are my winnings coming from small/medium pots by stealing/c-betting and getting folds or big pots? When almost every pot is raised and multiway that first option doesn't exist (until you get to showdown a few times and show the nuts).

At many of the games I play, there isn't a sweet spot for opening size. Open to 15 and get 4 callers, 16 and the table folds. Open smaller pairs (games like this that could mean 99-) for the right implied odds. Have the right bankroll. Games like this can be high variance. GL
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05-28-2019 , 02:12 AM
Some adjustments to try

1. Don't open raise bluffs/speculative hands from EP, if you are getting multiple callers.
2. If limpers will fold to a raise, then do raise speculative hands in LP. Size up as big as you need to. If there are 6 limpers, you can go nuts and raise 12-16x, as long as limp/rr isn't a worry (watch out for OMCs limping UTG). Either everyone folds and you win a lot of blinds (good), or you get one caller with position (good), or you get a few callers with position (not good, but not the worst thing either). Make sure your raise size gives you at least a little room postflop (don't make it 16x if the limpers all have 40bb)
3. If limpers won't fold to a raise, limp the weak speculative hands in LP that you normally want to raise.
4. If players won't raise behind you, limp hands in EP too.
5. Don't bluff into 3+ players postflop (Except combo draws where you have massive equity against the field.)
6. Do valuebet your top pairs. If the whole world is calling, sometimes you will run into a better hand. Most of the time you'll get calls from worse. Don't be discouraged.
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05-28-2019 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DK Barrel
Some adjustments to try

1. Don't open raise bluffs/speculative hands from EP, if you are getting multiple callers.
2. If limpers will fold to a raise, then do raise speculative hands in LP. Size up as big as you need to. If there are 6 limpers, you can go nuts and raise 12-16x, as long as limp/rr isn't a worry (watch out for OMCs limping UTG). Either everyone folds and you win a lot of blinds (good), or you get one caller with position (good), or you get a few callers with position (not good, but not the worst thing either). Make sure your raise size gives you at least a little room postflop (don't make it 16x if the limpers all have 40bb)
3. If limpers won't fold to a raise, limp the weak speculative hands in LP that you normally want to raise.
4. If players won't raise behind you, limp hands in EP too.
5. Don't bluff into 3+ players postflop (Except combo draws where you have massive equity against the field.)
6. Do valuebet your top pairs. If the whole world is calling, sometimes you will run into a better hand. Most of the time you'll get calls from worse. Don't be discouraged.
This seems like the best strategy to go for based on how the table runs, I opened a few speculative hands in EP and definitely have to cut that out based on number of callers I am getting.

Also have to cut out c/bet, people will simply not fold anything unless it is HU.

Limping in EP is also something I am going to introduce, guess my hand is pretty much telegraphed at that point but screw it if everybody is fishing might as well join.

Thanks for tips.
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05-28-2019 , 03:59 PM
Open to 4-5x and add 1-2bb per each limper behind you. If this does nothing to thin the heard, add more for the limpers (but never open more than 5x! imo.)

To answer the questions you're asking it really depends on stack size. Yes, you should generally play pretty nitty if everyone is calling preflop with garbage. Just extract value constantly. But that doesn't mean you can't make some aggro plays that have fold equity. In games like this it's nice to be known as a player who is raising 89s, will check raise a draw etc. Just don't play so tight the whales won't pay you off and you'll clean up.

Online is literally nothing like live, don't try to make it out to be or change it. It is what it is. Adapt and destroy them. Good luck.
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