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01-17-2019 , 08:03 PM

CJ72

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Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 454

1/2 NL live 8 handed,

Hand 1:
Everyone has 75-100BB

$5 btn straddle.

PF: Blinds and two MP players call.
Hero(CO) w/KdQd raises to $30.

BTN and a MP calls.

Flop (3 ways): KhTh7s

MP checks,
Hero checks because I don't want to get raised off my hand by draws(str8 or FD).
BTN bets $50
MP calls.

Hero?

Second hand:

Hero MP (JJ).

PF:
UTG raise $10
Hero calls
Blinds call.

Flop:5s6s5c

SB donk bets $50
Folds to Hero.
Hero?

What's the best way to play against players who have wide ranges?

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01-17-2019 , 09:05 PM

sirpupnyc

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,690

Looks to me like you're backing yourself into sucky spots.

H1 you invited everybody into the pot by checking the flop and now you're stuck with them. Stacks are too short for a check. PFR is probably too small, too...there's already $25 in the pot before your raise.

H2 the overdonk screams 5...the problem isn't so much their range, it's that you let them in to the pot to begin with. You don't give any info on their player types, but pretty much any 1/2 player is super-wide in the blinds vs. $10 and one caller. A 3!-calling range would be something to think about...this is just a fold and think about what you've done.

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01-17-2019 , 09:13 PM

aftrglw

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 504

Sounds like you are lighting money on fire. Hand 1, if you are going to check it’s an easy call. Folding and raising are both pretty terrible options. Hand 2, obligatory raise more pre. Donk bets generally aren’t very strong in my experience, it’s probably not a 5 but could be. Definitely a call for you in this board texture without further info in V.

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01-17-2019 , 09:18 PM

DK Barrel

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Hero checks because I don't want to get raised off my hand by draws(str8 or FD).

??

You've got 85bb behind in a 50bb pot. If Vs raising ranges include straight and flush draws then they'll have bluff combos about 3x as often as value combos. It'd be a really easy bet/shove.

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01-17-2019 , 09:21 PM

CJ72

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Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 454

H1:

BTN had AhJs
MP had Tx9x.
BTN apparently tried to buy it with BD FD and gutter str8.

H2: everyone folded.

Thx for input. I haven't played 1/2NL in awhile.

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01-17-2019 , 09:28 PM

CJ72

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Originally Posted by aftrglw

H1: Ya, the call by MP worried me. He's getting about 3:1 so I couldn't put him on a hand that I could beat. He clearly wasn't worried about what I was going to do so

H2: ya, I was in for so little, the player was new and I didn't feel like stacking off to a 5.

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01-17-2019 , 09:30 PM

CJ72

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Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 454

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Originally Posted by DK Barrel

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You've got 85bb behind in a 50bb pot. If Vs raising ranges include straight and flush draws then they'll have bluff combos about 3x as often as value combos. It'd be a really easy bet/shove.

Even with MP flat?

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01-17-2019 , 10:16 PM

DK Barrel

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Originally Posted by CJ72

Even with MP flat?

It doesn't matter. Your assumption is that you will be raised by QJ, 98 and hearts. There are 3 times as many of those hands as there are 2p+ hands. So it doesn't make sense to say "I don't want to bet here because I might get raised by a draw."

Whether that assumption is true... Who knows

Whether or not players play draws aggressively is one of the more important reads you can have

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01-18-2019 , 01:10 AM

aftrglw

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Originally Posted by CJ72

H1: Ya, the call by MP worried me. He's getting about 3:1 so I couldn't put him on a hand that I could beat. He clearly wasn't worried about what I was going to do

I think you are playing scared. He could easily be calling with a FD or QJ, possibly with something like AJ, a lesser K or a T if he's that kind of player. Folding is super nitty. Raising is only getting called by better made hands and draws, which means we should flat.

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01-18-2019 , 01:07 PM

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CJ72

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Originally Posted by aftrglw

More annoyed than scared. I think I've been conditioned over the years to believe that in these multiway situations everyone is either set mining or on a draw and I view it as not being worth it to continue. I view my calling in this spot pretty much turns my hand face up.

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