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05-31-2016 , 11:46 AM

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Richard Parker

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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

OK, here's what you do: You make an assumption that is false, then you try to repeat it until it becomes true.

LOL...

This pretty chart might help ya.

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In this case, hero 3-bet to $25. That means the betting is now $25. That's it.

Not sure if you're serious...

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If hero had bet $30, the bet would be $30.

Really?

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It's really NOT a difficult concept: the size of a 3-bet at 1-2 is usually not strongly correlated with the 3-bettor's hole cards.

So most 1/2 players raise TT to the same size as AA?

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05-31-2016 , 11:46 AM

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My point is that it is not a USEFUL indication. If we agree that 100 angels can dance on the head of a pin, that "information" still has absolutely no use.

This is wrong too.

There is definite value to this information. One simple example is the villain who 3b extra large with [AK,QQ-JJ], but more "normal" sizes with [KK+]. In fact, this is the most common, IMO.

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05-31-2016 , 11:48 AM

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Richard Parker

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Obviously no further communication is possible, if you don't comprehend the difference, between the decision to 3-bet and the decision about the amount.

Isn't it you who cannot comprehend the difference?

You basically said that there is no difference in amount, so the decision to 3-bet is the only decision...

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No, what I mean is most 1-2 players don't spend any time thinking about how to size their 3-bets. I.e. there isn't much useful information to be gotten from the size. It may have something to do with their failure to get a good parking spot.

Likewise, the size of villain's 4-bet in this case is irrelevant. He might be staying in room 87 at the motel.

LOL...

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05-31-2016 , 11:50 AM

#79

DJ8682

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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

Obviously no further communication is possible, if you don't comprehend the difference, between the decision to 3-bet and the decision about the amount.

No, what I mean is most 1-2 players don't spend any time thinking about how to size their 3-bets. I.e. there isn't much useful information to be gotten from the size. It may have something to do with their failure to get a good parking spot.

Likewise, the size of villain's 4-bet in this case is irrelevant. He might be staying in room 87 at the motel.

This assumes that V has me pegged as a typical weak 1/2 player, and not to try and overestimate my table image, but I doubt that's the case.

A 4bet short of all in is definitely not in the arsenal of your typical 1/2 player so he's gotta be somewhat competent. So he has to be thinking about what my sizing says about my hand strength to some extent.

So I have to disagree because I think we're not dealing with typical 1/2 players, so like my girl always points out.... Size does matter.

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05-31-2016 , 11:52 AM

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Richard Parker

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It's really NOT a difficult concept: the size of a 3-bet at 1-2 is usually not strongly correlated with the 3-bettor's hole cards.

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My point is that it is not a USEFUL indication. If we agree that 100 angels can dance on the head of a pin, that "information" still has absolutely no use.

Kind of funny how your own quote is quite fitting in this case:

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OK, here's what you do: You make an assumption that is false, then you try to repeat it until it becomes true.

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05-31-2016 , 11:54 AM

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So I have to disagree because I think we're not dealing with typical 1/2 players, so like my girl always points out.... Size does matter.

You should probably find a new GF if this one is constantly pointing out your... ehm... short comings?

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05-31-2016 , 11:58 AM

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DJ8682

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

When the guy said "why so much, you better have something good" is not indicative that he thought your hand was stronger than JJ because you raised to $45?

So this entire time, even though you knew V was good player prior and after the hand, you were still 3betting him with the assumption that he was bad?

And the argument of why you were 3betting him with assumption that he was a bad player AFTER the hand was taken out of context?

LOL, no, that was what I was getting at this whole entire time from the very beginning, and you were arguing it the whole time.

Your adjustment obviously needs work.

I still have literally no clue where you are coming up with this notion that I said I was 3betting him with the assumption he's a bad player????????? I have not once made a statement even vaguely resembling that.

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05-31-2016 , 12:01 PM

#83

DJ8682

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You should probably find a new GF if this one is constantly pointing out your... ehm... short comings?

But she hasn't left yet in spite of it, that means she's a keeper right.... right???

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05-31-2016 , 12:01 PM

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Richard Parker

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Originally Posted by DJ8682

What was point of your argument about why you chose $25 then?

You had specifically said that $25 raise is standard and that it would work with most players at the table, and that most players in LLSNL tables are bad.

LOL...

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05-31-2016 , 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Seriously, am I speaking Sputnik here? I said in THE OP that it may seem small (to the V), but was sized just fine to get the rest of the field to fold back to V...

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05-31-2016 , 12:27 PM

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DJ8682

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

I also never said it was standard (I said 3x is fairly standard in general), in fact, there were only two people 3betting at this table prior to V showing up and that rarely happened because almost no one else besides the two of us were even raising.

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