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MP JJ against a 3bet from SB MP JJ against a 3bet from SB

08-05-2011 , 09:02 AM
Hello guys, I usually play online but I started playing live some weeks ago.

The game is 1/2 (in Reais, which R$1 is today U$0.69, because I'm in Brazil). My image was TAG, SB was a tight player and MP1 loose passive.

NL Holdem $200(BB) Casino
SB ($230)
BB ($70)
UTG ($300)
Hero ($160)
MP1 ($600)MP2 ($120)
MP3 ($70)
CO ($150)
Button ($100)

Dealt to Hero JJ

UTG calls, Hero raises to $10, MP1 calls, 5 folds, SB raises to $45, 2 folds, Hero calls $35, MP1 calls $35
FLOP ($139) Q33

SB bets $45, Hero ???

What about the betsizes (4x + limpers)?

I think I maybe should fold pf, because villan is a tight player. Am I right?

Calling the pf 3bet, was it an easy fold flop?

Against the SB, if we consider his range as being QQ+, AK (I thought he would not 3bet AQ OOP, and he confirmed later) we have

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
184,140 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 33Q
JJ 41.98% (77,007 wins, 594 ties)
AA,KK,QQ,AK 58.02% (106,539 wins, 594 ties)

The shove is 1.9:1 (34.5%) with a fold from MP1. Do you think I have fold equity because of my image? Is the shove weak because of the MP, which is loose passive.

Ty for the attention.
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08-05-2011 , 09:50 AM
Tough spot. You dont think your hand stands up well against his 3 bet oop range then you are effectively set mining which you arent deep enough to do. Forget your analysis percentage tools this is live. With your stack i just 4 bet him all in pre and hope an ace dont fall. If you thought you were ahead preflop you probably still are now but its gonna cost you your stack to find out and you have one person still to act who could easily have qx. Fold
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08-05-2011 , 10:05 AM
Easy fold, AINEC.
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08-05-2011 , 11:36 AM
I hate flatting pre with your stack. Jam or fold pre imo and its close, read dependent. Has villain squeezed pre before?
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08-05-2011 , 12:31 PM
Fold pre-flop to his raise with this stack-size or 4-bet allin. We need effective stacks of around 380+ to be able to set-mine profitably here IMO.

As played, we must have decided preflop that we have the best hand and this is a great flop for us so call and let the other player get out of the way. And then commit on any non-K, non-A turn.
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08-05-2011 , 01:13 PM
Just fold here. Don't try to get tricky and just let it go and find a better spot to put money in the pot.
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08-05-2011 , 01:20 PM
*Grunch
Fold Pre. Fold OTF.
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08-05-2011 , 01:41 PM
If you think his range for 3betting is QQ+, AK then fold pre.
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08-05-2011 , 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nogyong
Fold pre-flop to his raise with this stack-size or 4-bet allin. We need effective stacks of around 380+ to be able to set-mine profitably here IMO.

As played, we must have decided preflop that we have the best hand and this is a great flop for us so call and let the other player get out of the way. And then commit on any non-K, non-A turn.
Are you advocating a x/f if a K or A hits ott? What happens if we call and mp calls?
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08-05-2011 , 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneKidForTheTime
I hate flatting pre with your stack. Jam or fold pre imo and its close, read dependent. Has villain squeezed pre before?
No, he didnt, he was not aggressive at the table. I think that this play would be better with a looser player, as almost all of the other guys at the table, I think it was the wrong guy to do this.

About his range I think its really QQ+, AK (after the hand finishes I asked if he would do this with AQ and he snap said: "No, off course!")

I understand when u say that I needed to be deeper for a set mine, and against almost all possible players I think I should fold pre (unless maniacs off course, that I should shove pre), and in the case of calling fold flop. How much must be the effective stack for this play to be profitable? 12x the size of the raise?

I think this move was a kind of tilt, I was playing for a long time and I recieved only poor hands, when I got a good one it was the wrong time to do something.

Thank you all!!!!!!!!
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