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07-12-2012 , 10:28 PM
So after up and down play for about 2 hours I encountered this hand...

$1/$2 NLHE
9 handed, single BB

BTN: $450
BB: $200 (new player)
UTG: $680
UTG+1: $100
HERO: $225
MP1: $200 (new player)

Reads:
MP1 is an older Cuban guy complete with a killer mustache and a sweet bluetooth. He sat down while I was away getting some food.

BTN is a dealer from a room where I was a reg at one point. She is middle aged and has been slugging beers back since I sat down. She plays weak-passive. She has not been involved in many raised pots and folds flop frequently. $200 of her stack is in black and from a high hand promotion.


Pre-flop:
Dealt to HERO A K
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, HERO raises to $15, (3 folds), MP1 calls, BTN calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls

Flop: ($77) K Q 7 (5 Players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, HERO bets $55, MP1 thinks for a second and raises to $185 and is all-in, BTN thinks for awhile and after asking me how much I have, calls, (2 folds)

HERO???


I will put the result later on. What do you think?
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07-12-2012 , 10:34 PM
folds.
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07-12-2012 , 10:46 PM
cold call is very suspicious, i would have to find a fold here knowing we cant possiblebe ahead of both players and if we somehow are

like vs j10 and AK we have to fade outs
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07-12-2012 , 10:46 PM
This flop crushes your perceived range and 2 villains have shown a lot of interest/heat on the flop. I think its safe to go ahead and fold. On a rainbow board that crushes a pfr range, I like a 55% psb right around $40-45. if called in one spot, it allows for a bet/commit on the turn rather easily.
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07-12-2012 , 10:48 PM
Not worried about MP1 in the least. Pot odds are 22.7%. I think at best you tie BTN: middle-aged, woman, weak, passive.... you're dead here when she calls.
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07-12-2012 , 10:52 PM
I think at best youre up against AK (cuban) and J10s (nit). I'd prob let it go.

Very likely that one of them has KQ. (prob the nit)
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07-12-2012 , 10:52 PM
Phil Galfond once posted that while AKs is a good hand pf, it is also unfortunately the one hand every fish puts you on. So when you have it and the villains are acting like they don't care if you do, you can be pretty sure you're beat. Fold comfortably.
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07-12-2012 , 10:55 PM
Cold call from button is clear fold... That is such a strong move should be insta muck
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07-12-2012 , 10:59 PM
After tanking I called....

Spoiler:


BTN Showed K T
MP1 Showed K 7


Turn: 3
River: 5



Why the **** would I call? I can't even tell you what made me do it....

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07-12-2012 , 11:01 PM
Should have used your one-time on running jacks so that you could inspire the middle aged woman to tilt off her high hand jackpot $ on the subsequent orbit.

The awesomeness of the K10 call and the Cuban's description in general cannot be understated. He is the personification of profit in live poker.
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07-12-2012 , 11:04 PM
...and she flipped over 77... ??
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07-12-2012 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Phil Galfond once posted that while AKs is a good hand pf, it is also unfortunately the one hand every fish puts you on. So when you have it and the villains are acting like they don't care if you do, you can be pretty sure you're beat. Fold comfortably.
Thanks Venice. Pretty much makes complete sense. I was so close to folding... I am really bummed out by making that horrid decision. Hindsight 20/20 at least I can easily learn from it. I fell in love with TPTK like a fish.
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07-12-2012 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GeorgeKaplan
...and she flipped over 77... ??

6 posts in and I've already read 3 of them including a thread you started. Slow down dude.
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07-12-2012 , 11:29 PM
Just signed up! A bit overanxious i guess...
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07-13-2012 , 01:33 AM
My experience has been that a $15 raise in 1/2 game is a post flop slot machine hand as it never gets any respect. I make it $40 in this spot and the weak kings fold.
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07-13-2012 , 03:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by venice10
Phil Galfond once posted that while AKs is a good hand pf, it is also unfortunately the one hand every fish puts you on. So when you have it and the villains are acting like they don't care if you do, you can be pretty sure you're beat. Fold comfortably.
Yeah, pretty much this. I would instantly think with this much action we are facing one KJ and one KQ or 77. No way AK is good with this much action. One rule of thumb I follow is that in these spots I can maybe call one villain but not two.

Or put another way, what's the point of having all our awesome skills if we can't fold TPTK facing this much action on a dry board.
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07-13-2012 , 06:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by venice10
Phil Galfond once posted that while AKs is a good hand pf, it is also unfortunately the one hand every fish puts you on. So when you have it and the villains are acting like they don't care if you do, you can be pretty sure you're beat. Fold comfortably.



this is it.
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07-13-2012 , 11:15 AM
BTN has 2p+ 99% of the time...lol at asking u about ur stack size before calling
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07-13-2012 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fivechips
My experience has been that a $15 raise in 1/2 game is a post flop slot machine hand as it never gets any respect. I make it $40 in this spot and the weak kings fold.
so you win 7 dollars now, but you don't win even more money from the worse kings calling pre and hitting K high flops?

ok!
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07-13-2012 , 04:30 PM
We're in a 5way pot with only TPTK. Board isn't stupid drawy (ok, JT, but that's it). I'm bet/folding this. Even easier once a caller comes along. We're probably in second place plus up a decent draw.
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07-13-2012 , 04:33 PM
I like the preflop raise size. We win money when K7 calls.
Flop is obv a fold.
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07-16-2012 , 04:25 AM
Anyone see any merit to checking this flop? You're not getting value from a lot and you can easily get raised off your hand with the one draw you're trying to get value out of.

The downside is you've under-repped your hand and you have to pretty much check-call one better down and pray he has kj or kt or make a judgment fold on the river if he shoves.

It's a balance. In this particular case it would have saved a flop c-bet.

Not saying I would have done this, but I think it's up for discussion.
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