1/3 NLHE 9 handed.

I think I found a new idea to incorporate into my low stakes game and want to get opinions.

V1 - Loose passive asian woman that has no clue. Losing player. Limp calls way too much and just fit or fold post. Blasts when she wakes up with it. I have several sessions with her and know her game fairly well. She calls with drawing hands. Donks big hands. Occaisionally she'll limp pre with something like JJ to see if she flops an overpair then rip it in. Her sizing is always awful. Once I gutted her on a board like Kc-9h-3c-Jd-4c with QJcc when she had AA because she just kept betting way too small and then I raised river AI. 300$. UTG+1.

V2 - MAWG I've never seen before that isn't great but isn't bad, he's probably a break even or slightly losing player. First session with him. He's 3-bet me with AK a few times. He understand the basics of the game and has been ABC. He bluffed once on a monotone board without the suit and showed the bluff when everyone folded. 400$ UTG.

H - Covers from BB.

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V2 opens UTG to 10, V1 minclicks to 20, folds to Hero in BB who sees A Q and knows V1 is nutted here decides to re-click to 30, V2 folds, V1 5-bets to 100 and H snap folds.

why would you reopen the betting with this when you know someone is nutted? make no sense.

id just fold pre.

What? Why?

Because folding AQo would be der uber-nit?

im starting think you're a troll. in one thread you're advocating completing the sb with AK, in others you are doing stuff like this.

Just fold.

You post a million hands and get a lot of feedback, but have you actually learned anything from it yet? I genuinely wonder if anything has stuck.

I also don’t get troll threads like this one. Be grateful people still go to the trouble of trying to help you and don't disrespect them with nonsense threads like this one imo.

AQo depends on the situation. Out of position against a raise and 3bet from a loose passive player, it is an easy fold.

Out of position sucks in general, I'm at the point I think I need to fold more than I already do.

Go home, Banana, you're drunk.

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First and foremost, and unknown UTG ABC player raised (strong range). Then, this lady, a lady who's limped in with jacks, min-raised him (very strong range). Raising would be playing with fire, and calling would be like throwing 20 bucks (and maybe a lot more) in the trash.

Love it. Call it off. One time.

What is the new idea, spew raise folding?


100bb effective robot opens to 2.25x, folds to BB, robot BB responds with AQo by? Hint: it's never a raise and never a fold.


Even at 200bb effective AQs is only a 3bet about 20% of the time (about the same as A5s) ... AJs and ATs are at least double that, presumably because they don't block KQ.
At 400bb effective AQs is near 50% 3bet in raked games ... unraked it's still super low, and A3s/A4s/A5s are way higher.


But that's just robot opens, now the charts I have for UTG open + UTG1 3bet are only 6max ... but on the upside the 3bet should be small by UTG1.
Want to guess how BB responds to the cold 3bet?
At 50bb:
Pure 4bet: JJ+,AQs+
50% 4bet: AJs,KQs,A5s
To be fair there are also two outliers for 2-4% 4bet (and the rest folds) of 99,AQo (and the raise should be to like $50-$55).

At 100bb+: AQo,KQs,AJs are all pure folds.
At 200bb: AKo is 50% fold.


With the reads you shouldn't deviate by putting more money in.

I think you well-written reply and chart deserves more time of mine to read & think than the post itself.

I highly doubt the OP would spend more time reading your reply than I do, but I respect all fun players

honestly i agree with all of this

Easy flat call with 22.

This must be another April Fools post.

Damn, i got played

Lol I'm not trolling I'm for real. I'm talking about minclick-folding to flush out these nutted players who have no clue. In the AK limp pre stuff I was talking about a different player type altogether. The problem with those AK hands is if you just shovel pre you bloat a pot (as everyone calls anyway) and it becomes quite high variance. Also, when the Vs see an A or K flop they will shutdown with JJ-99 or maybe call one street small.

This is a different idea altogether. When she minclicks I don't know what she has but I know it's either 1. super nutted or 2. she's just bored and trying to 'mix it up'. She's the kind of player that really doesn't understand raising and why we bet and so on. I have an A so its less likely to be AA. It could even be AJs. I would range her something like:

[TT+, AJs+, AQo, AKo, KQs, 22-44 (boredom)].

The minclick gives me the betting lead if she just calls we see a flop which is fine, if she raises its an easy fold. I feel like if I fold AQ here I'm folding A LOT. What am I doing with AKo here? AJs?

This happened the other day in a hand where I RFI'd KQs UTG and a super straightforward loose passive 3-bet me IP HU and I tank folded. Wondering if a minclick would have flushed him out?

Result:

Fold pre, why would u 4bet bluff a nutted range?

lol

i mean at equilibrium (vs a "balanced" range) aqss is a fold vs utg open / utg1 3b more than a call on the charts im looking at (9m 50nl 2.5x open). this is spew and if the logic is you'll be folding your bb A LOT, its unlikely you understand how mdf works and would be better off not thinking about it at all.

the issue with the range you gave her is she probably has the absolute nutted hands 100% of the time, the strong but not nutted value hands a large amount of the time, and the spaz / boredom hands something like 0-10% (i dont really see any evidence beyond wishful thinking that its not 0) of the time from a frequency standpoint. and you still have 9m utg to deal with.

This is a hugely profitable situation for your range. 4! AA and call with all pps, maybe AK. With TT-KK and AK reevaluate on the flop. You have good chances to stack her with AA or a set.

Even without positions, reads, and it is 1/3, cold calling a 3! with AQ is generally marginal. I would only consider cold calling or 4-betting a 3! at 1/3 with AQ if I knew it was from someone who 3! a lot.

FWIW I folded AQo pre to a TAGs 25$ SB open w/ BTN straddle on to 6$ today. So I'm not a total fish.

I didn't say you were a total fish. This second situation is closer and maybe not a fold.