Playing 9-handed 5-10 at MGM National Harbor, Villian 1 raises UTG to 35. He's deep -- over 2000, and I have him covered. I call with KdTd. MP3, MP4 and Villain 2 (CO, playing about 1400) call, everyone else mucks. Five to the flop with 190 in the middle.

Flop comes Qs Jc Th. UTG checks. I check, as do MP3 and MP4. CO bets 125. UTG then raises to 325. You?

Villain 1 is snug but solid. He's an accountant. Understands balance. Villain 2 is a full-time player, also fairly solid. He called down a big river bet in a spot where it was likely I was polarized, and I happend to have the nuts. Both are thinking players. I'm 52, somewhat talkative, fairly active, but obviously an amateur.

fold..

Yea, looks like an easy fold to me.

Fold flop. Sounds like we are EP also? Then folding pre is standard. However, given the strange line taken by UTG and how cally this lineup appears to be, I wouldn't mind getting creative with this hand some percentage of the time and play 3bet pot in position vs one or two opponents.

The table wasn't 3-betting very often and seemed to do so mostly with unbalanced ranges -- so I'm okay with calling pre. As played, I was perfectly happy to see four callers behind, two of whom were on 2500 or so. More generally, I'm okay with that play pre so long as I can avoid putting a big chunk of money in the pot in a bad spot, as it appears I managed to do here.

Fold pre

Even if the table isn't 3betting I think it's a fold pre. Flop is easy fold. Btw big fan of posts you make across all forums on 2p2, happy to see you posting here.

The table wasn't 3-betting very often and seemed to do so mostly with unbalanced ranges -- so I'm okay with calling pre. As played, I was perfectly happy to see four callers behind, two of whom were on 2500 or so. More generally, I'm okay with that play pre so long as I can avoid putting a big chunk of money in the pot in a bad spot, as it appears I managed to do here. [/QUOTE]

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating 3betting this hand. Generally, however, seeing the flop 6 handed with ANY hand is a bad idea, even more so without initiative and in awkward position (both relative and absolute). Hence, fold>>>3bet (in weak passive lineup)>call.

Mildly interesting is the new new trivial fold

I would fold KQ in this spot against most lineups. Forget about it with KT.

Yeah definitely folding

Fold for sure
Maybe fold pre depending on who else is behind

While one challenge is having to fold to 3bets (that many good players naturally overestimate when giving full ring live advice) the other big problem is that you won't be able to realize your hands equity in this position. Being results oriented, the post flop action is a great example of this.

This would be an easy call otb.

FWIW, fold hands like this very carefully. No bigger buzz kill then this hand getting exposed with you folding to a single open.

I disagree, one of the biggest adjustmen's to soft live games is just how different of a game it is. It is less of a game of aggression/fold equity/initiative and more of a game of implied odds/high spr/dominating inferior holdings.

Suited aces and decent kings go way up in value in games like these, but position is still always top dog of course.