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09-14-2022 , 05:32 AM

Niemand

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10 handed NL; ~ 280bb effective stacks
V1: unknown
V2: winning regular

V1 opens in EP, 3bb
H calls in MP with 8s8c,
V2 calls on the BTN

Flop:
6c8d10h

Check -check
V2 bets 7bb
V1 calls
H raises to 25bb
V2 calls
V1 folds

Turn: 2s
H bets 40bb
V2 tank-calls

River: Jc
H?

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09-14-2022 , 08:51 AM

Joe-exotic69

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River doesnt change much besides Q9, bet 100bb , cry fold if he jams.

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09-14-2022 , 01:09 PM

davomalvolio

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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69

River doesnt change much besides Q9, bet 100bb , cry fold if he jams.

This except I’m not folding to a jam (still beating 88, JT, T8, 86, random bluffs with a 7 or 9 in them).

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09-14-2022 , 02:04 PM

Javanewt

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Agree with davomalvolio. Bet and don't fold.

Edit: How does V2 see you? Probably doesn't change much.

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09-14-2022 , 07:17 PM

NittyOldMan1

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bet 80-100 bb

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09-15-2022 , 01:22 AM

matzah_ball

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Fold pre

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09-15-2022 , 11:08 AM

Javanewt

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

Fold pre

This is a joke, right? Or did you post in the wrong thread?

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09-15-2022 , 11:25 AM

Niemand

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

Agree with davomalvolio. Bet and don't fold.

Edit: How does V2 see you? Probably doesn't change much.

He probably sees me as some sort of abc player: we have just played a handful of sessions together and I haven't shown anything too out of line.
I'm pretty sure he thinks he has an edge on me.

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09-15-2022 , 12:04 PM

NittyOldMan1

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

Fold pre

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09-15-2022 , 01:05 PM

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Javanewt

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Originally Posted by Niemand

He probably sees me as some sort of abc player: we have just played a handful of sessions together and I haven't shown anything too out of line.
I'm pretty sure he thinks he has an edge on me.

Doesn't change how I'd play it.

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09-15-2022 , 01:49 PM

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Grease

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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1

bet 80-100 bb

And do what if raised?

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09-15-2022 , 04:14 PM

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NittyOldMan1

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Originally Posted by Grease

And do what if raised?

that would be gross but i think you have to call

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09-15-2022 , 05:36 PM

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larry the legend

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If you have a frisky image I like a jam on the river. 1/2 players hate to fold. Ive seen decent players call down a 1.5x bet with QQ several times in similar situations. Maybe he has 66. J10. QQ. All those are about as likely to pay off 200bb as 100bb.

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09-16-2022 , 06:41 AM

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Homey D. Clown

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Please make sure to always mention the potsize on all streets in your hand history. In this case the pot is ~140 and you have ~210 behind, so I might just shove here. If not, I'm at least betting close to pot. If he has me beat I'm definitely going broke, so I'm not folding to a shove.

I am curious as to why you checked the flop after the initial raiser checked. That can't be good. You got away with it because the button decided to bet, but I think it's the world’s most obvious bet on the flop.

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09-16-2022 , 06:55 AM

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Grease

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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1

that would be gross but i think you have to call

Ugh I think you’re right but ugh

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09-16-2022 , 08:21 AM

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Niemand

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown

Good point.
V is pretty aggressive, so I thought he would have taken a stab at this flop quite often.
However, I admit that this may be part of a general leak of mine, i.e. not value betting enough.

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09-16-2022 , 12:55 PM

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Playbig2000

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Please put bets in instead of bb's if it's at all possible you'd get a lot more feedback too. I don't think he has a straight since he flatted the flop so just bet as close to pot as you can that you think he'd call. If you don't think a jam would fold out 2 pair, then go ahead and jam it's also an option but it will probably blow him off the bottom/middle of his range most likely. So basically bet as much as you think he would call. If he raises just make a crying call.

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10-09-2022 , 02:59 AM

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DonkFishy

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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1

Lol why? I’m like 99% sure this is troll committing to the joke.,, but just in case

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10-09-2022 , 07:56 AM

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Grease

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Originally Posted by DonkFishy

Lol why? I’m like 99% sure this is troll committing to the joke.,, but just in case

Because we’re deep and in position with a hand that can win a huge pot or steal a lot when the PFR misses?

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10-09-2022 , 11:16 AM

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madlex

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Obviously not folding pre.

Not betting the flop looks like a pretty big mistake unless we’re extremely sure villain is going to bet.

If I counted correctly, there’s 67BB in the pot on the turn? I would bet bigger here, to charge the million +1 draws. That also makes stack sizes on the river a little less awkward because we can just ship on good cards without having to overbet significantly.

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10-09-2022 , 04:29 PM

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DonkFishy

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Originally Posted by Grease

Because we’re deep and in position with a hand that can win a huge pot or steal a lot when the PFR misses?

No no I agree with you Grease, I meant to ask the guy who said “fold pre” why we would ever EVER even consider that

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10-09-2022 , 07:13 PM

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Grease

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Originally Posted by DonkFishy

No no I agree with you Grease, I meant to ask the guy who said “fold pre” why we would ever EVER even consider that

Ah, all good, no worries.

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