Middle pair with A-kicker facing a turn donk on a wet board
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1/2. V1 (180) and V2 (400) are loose passives. Hero (375) is TAG, but Vs are unlikely paying attention.
V1 in UTG open limps. V2 in MP calls. Hero in the CO raises with AcQc to 15. Vs call.
Flop (43 after rake): KsQs8c
Vs check. Hero bets 15. V1 folds. V2 calls.
Turn (70 after rake): 4s
V2 donks 40. Hero folds.
Is anyone actually calling here?
Last edited by adonson; 09-22-2023 at 02:42 PM.
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Edit: my eyes are getting bad. I thought you had flush draw too. Easy fold
Last edited by larry the legend; 09-22-2023 at 02:56 PM.
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i dont see much reason to bet the flop. based on the jt hand u posted it looks like youre not polarizing enough and not factoring in that these hands are multiway. idk if youre uncomfortable playing without iniatitive but you're going to end up in bloated pots with difficult decisions / bluffcatchers and little equity whenever they continue and probably not find enough folds from them collectively
Last edited by submersible; 09-22-2023 at 03:19 PM.
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Flop is ok sometimes though with the bdfd I think the bet is worse. If you're auto betting 100% with this hand I think it's bad. Should definitely have this in your checkback range often.
Turn feels close. I probably lean call as the sizing feels weak to me. But also depending on villain.
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Check flop, you're multiway and have 2nd pair with bdfd, one overcard.
Turn is probably just a fold, but turn donks are not always really strong. If you have seen villain bluff and do weird stuff, it might be worth peeling.
I would rather face a turn bet after checking the flop, because villain's range of hands is probably much weaker when you don't bet flop and they stab turn. And if villains donk turn anyways, your flop bet doesn't necessarily buy you a free river card to realize your equity.
Your play would be more appropriate heads up in position after 3betting preflop, but multiway you want to cbet a lot less, especially with your marginal made hands.
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In my game, donk bets are almost always TPGK or better. I don't like checking the flop because so many draws are in their range: AJ, AT, Asxs, Qx, JT, and some other suited spades.
