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Originally Posted by rakeme
^I'm all in. It's definitely not turning our hand into a bluff. I'm never folding a flopped set for 60bb, you're over analyzing things. And Dragon-Ash, I don't like just calling the flop and allowing a free look at the turn, shoving is the only play here.
I understand that a set is a set and sets are awesome and it sucks having to fold them. But if vill flips over his cards and 100% of the time he has a flush are you still shoving? If you are then it's pretty bad you are lighting money on fire.
By shoving what do you expect to get called by that you beat? Specially if its the last hand of the night I can see a vill showing the Ad and folding.
By flatting we haven't froze the action from 2 pair and 22, which is the only value range for us so a total of 18 combos, and there are 90 total flush combos of diamonds, lets say vill raises the top 10 suited ds (A9+, KT+, QJ, JT) there's still 80 combos (all are in play from this new info of a blind on the btn) of flushes that have us beat.
Lets say vill raises with Ad always as we'll but has to have other equity in the hand to do that, A7,A5,A4,A3,A2. 13 total combos 31 hands we are ahead of now. Lets say vill does this with all AdXx hands but raises AQ pre. That's another 15 combos so we are up to 46 we beat, 28 have at least 30% equity vs us.
This is a terrible spot to shove a set, I am not playing poker to get lucky. I play to make well thought out decisions and pick spots that I have an equity edge va ranges. Here we do not.
Even though we have 60bbs, it's a call on the flop and fold turn if turn is bombed and board doesn't pair.
If this were a raised pot pre I would be getting my stack in on the flop, vills range is narrower and has a lot few suited Ds in his range then this situ and more over pairs with D and AdXx. Especially being 60bbs deep.
FYI: if you make a baby flush fold when you have a set you are turning your hand into a bluff.
Last edited by Running Uphill; 02-22-2013 at 08:01 AM.
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