Early morning at the local casino and the table was pretty good. No one at the table was raising huge pre flop or making crazy bluffs so I figured I had a pretty good edge on it.

1/2 blinds

Hero - $350ish - hasn't shown any bluffs and just got moved to the table 40 mins ago. Chipped up with a set vs who knows what this guy had. He only had $100ish so it wasn't a huge pot but every one saw I had a set.

Villain 1 - ($500) maybe plays a 30/10 style - not very good - stationy and probably calls too wide.

Villian 2 - ($1000) probably a better than average 1/2 player - seems to raise pre flop more than call / and won't be playing hands like A7 / K7 / Q7 etc. Folds a decent amount and probably limps in suited connecters and small pocket pairs.


Hero gets AT on BTN. 3 limps to me and I make it $10.

Villain 1 calls in mid position and Villain 2 calls in CO

Pot is $35

Flop is QT7

Villain 1 donks $25
Villain 2 raises to $65
Hero .....???

Ranging V1 on a wide range - top pair / flush draw / straight draw / two pair / set
Ranging V2 on 2pair+ and maybe flush draw +straight draw like 89 clubs or J9 clubs. He would probably open KJ clubs so I don't think he has that but most likely has a set of 7's or j9 clubs due to limp calling.

snap fold and why is a passive fish donking range so wide

edit: why so little pre?

I'm folding. We don't get the correct odds and I don't think we get paid off if another club comes.

I suppose $15 could of been better but don't mind $10

His range is wide because he plays a lot of hands and gets involved. He is only passive as in I haven't seen him 3bet yet

the ranging is fine. dont think we even need to range given the action tho and our hand

edit: i dont usually raise to ten and w ats im raising to 25 and to 20 at other tables and in this situation depending on table 20 25

nice thread tho. good spot to review. i like it

Op,

Use flopzilla or pokerstove to figure out your range.

My guess is you are in decent shape as long as V2 can have stuff other then 77.

I call and expect V1 to call too.

X2. Any Broadway card also adds SD so half the deck could help on turn. No way I'm folding flop, calling seems best. Doubt that V folds whatever he's raising on the flop, plus we want V1 to come along.

Not exactly. A queen/ten could give someone else a boat.

An ace/king/jack could give someone else a straight and we could get shoved on and not have odds to call.

The spot feels pretty meh if Villains are as strong as the Hero thinks they are, especially since we're not even closing the action, we still could get shoved on.

Obv board pairing doesn't add SD, didn't think I would need to mention that. Highly doubtful anyone else in the hand is continuing with a SD so I wouldn't be worried about that at all. If both Vs shove then I call and hope to bink since they are probably sharing boat outs.

because we have hit our pair i don't think we can fold here. think im calling
100% of the time also

edit: also super deep folding is a sin. my bad/ wtf

Definitely raising more PF here, with 3 limpers I'd make it $15.

Once V2 raises flop I'd try to get a read on V1. If he's just going to flat and not 3-bet here, then I flat as well and see a turn. Folding flop is really bad this deep if V1 has worse FDs in his range (or if V2 has combo draws like KcJc or Jc9c in his).

Why are you raising more pre? Honest question.

You want to take it down now?

You want to increase f/e otf?

You want to build a bigger pot ip? With a plan of taking it away on later streets?

I'm guessing these might be your reasonings, I might be totally off! Are there others?

I actually think raising bigger is not good for a multitude of reasons, I'd just be interested in yours and other like minded guys reasonings. Thanks

I would summize we are often up against 2 pair+ and possibly up against a made hand and another draw. It's true we have the dominating draw but there are only really 7 cards we are happy about seeing OTT.

I'm pretty sure calling is the best play here but wasn't 100% sure.

I don't like raising and I don't like folding so I suppose I have 1 option left LOL!


If V1 (player who donks) jams than I suppose we have correct odds to call



I guess we are commited on any T / club or ace on turn and fold everything else assuming he bets anything higher than 70% pot

15 pre.

Call flop.

With this particular hand, a smaller raise might be best in a vacuum. However, with our entire range, making a larger sizing (to increase FE) when raising on the button is going to be higher EV. At $1/$2, maybe you can get away with raising different sizes with different parts of your range, but any observant opponents will quickly catch on.