1/3 NLHE

V1 - 450, MP. Young white guy studies the game but not too seriously. Probably a slightly winning player at this level. Respects V2 and Hs game. Opens too wide pre and calls a bit light pre but can be bluffed in river spots when he has one pair type hands. Often likes to get in there with hands like 68s or J9s for a three bet. Plays straightforward post.

V2 - Covers, BTN. Best player in the room. Young white guy. Not a great player (its a bad room) but knows a lot of strat and talks a lot at the table but levels himself too much "when the A hits you should range merge and bet 1/3rd to iso my PP part of my range...yak yak yak". Very capable of bluffing. Loves check raising light. Loves repping cards that hit his perceived range. Biggest weakness is he overthinks spots and his opponents are just calling because they are glued to their hands. Making sticky "hero" calls on big river spots with middling hands.

Hero 310, SB. Not sure of image.

V1 limps, another limp or two, V2 to 20, hero calls with black 8 8, V1 calls, all else fold.


Flop 60 - 8 7 7

H checks, V1 checks, V2 bets 20, H just calls, V1 calls.

Turn 120 - 9

H checks, V1 checks, V2 checks.

River 120 - 6

H checks (?), V1 checks, V2 bets 60, Hero?

Do you believe your description "makes sticky hero calls on big river spots with middling hands"? If you do the question is will he call say a pot size raise or can you raise even more?

He either has a ten or he doesn’t. I would just ship.

Flop: Ok

Turn: Lead 30-40%. This is going to get checked around so often. V1 can't have anything strong besides quads. V2 was almost certainly just stabbing on a paired board or draw. Build the pot and get a little value from draws.

River: Lead big or c/r. AP, ship it in. As OmahaDonk said, he either has a ten or not.

I like the fact that we are not OOP to the best player in the room.

I'm fine with the preflop call as I would expect this to bring along the limpers, so in a multiway pot ~setmining getting about 18+:1 IO with a hand that sometimes wins UI. Disappointing the others didn't come along.

SPR is 5, so we should be able to play for stacks by the river fairly easily, but now it is just a matter of how. I might consider donking for a 1/2 PSB and then donking off for stacks on the turn/river. Check/calling the flop is probably fine but then I'd probably lean to donking turn to make sure it doesn't get checked around.

As played, I'm donking the turn. There's just too good a chance this gets checked around, and if it does it will make playing for stacks on the river (which could see a lot of scare cards) very difficult.

As played, on the river I typically just go for the gold and hope someone has made a straight they can't fold and donk shove. And as played I probably just shove hoping Button has made a straight he can't fold.

Overall, in SPR 5 pots we have to make sure we get the chips in, and OOP that often means taking the betting lead ourselves, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Really misplayed hand, 3b or fold pre, probably just fold, not enough stack to setmine and calling 7x isos from the blinds is not winning poker. AP easy xr flop, you let them control the pot. V2 sounds like a guy to level himself into bluffcatching even if you never in your life have bluffed. River I don't think shove gets called too often because you won't get credit for a bluff, so raise something a T would call like 180. It's very hard to get paid in the river xr line because noone ever bluffs so I'd do my best to avoid getting here. Also, lol at your room's crusher talking about these bs concepts at the table like Matt Berkey.

Im fine with the call pre, not sure why cracked wants you to 3b or fold with 88.

I do agree we should probably x/r small on flop and bet turn/ jam river

Ap just go allin

question: does anyone fold 88 here preflop with a few limpers still to act who could repop it?

Result:

What are you donking besides trips or better?

100 bb isn't enough to just overlimp in small blind to set mine. 3bet or fold.


You’ll bleed money long term in this spot.

Because this hand lacks mw playability. We won't have a clue where we're at in most scenarios, so will make mistakes like paying off better hands and often folding the best hand. It'll be very hard to extract value, just look at how this hand played out. This is a huge cooler and OP somehow still managed to not stack the poor guy. Tbh villain should've folded the river which would've made it even more of a disaster.

The other option is 3b, but I don't think it's quite strong enough to 3b/gii against the generally nitty population even at this shallow stack depth. 88 just sucks as a 3b/fold so the only option left is folding unfortunately. Because people don't 4b nearly enough I think 3b/f is still better than calling, but I'd just fold.

I think it is kinda close. I'd be snap folding small pairs here. But middling pairs like 99-77 I'm cooler with calling since we're not 100% setmining, although being the first caller OOP isn't ideal by any means. And yeah, we might have to be a little wary of who has limped into the pot.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Honestly, probably nothing. But no one has a solid enough read on every single opponent to know that, and they'll convince themselves I'm donking a draw / TP / etc. enough of the time. And they'll also mostly convince themselves that you'd have to be an idiot to donk trips+.

Glittledotheyknowtheyaredealingwithanidiot,amirite ?G

I agree with you. This does apply more if your opponents were playing close to GTO. However with the limpers i think we can go exploitative and call 88, which will likely bring the limpers and a big pot if we bink.

But yes gto wise from the sb its a 3bet or fold situation.

I couldn't care less about GTO in this stupid spot where people limp then a guy isos 7x, but they together have like 4 overcards to the 8 and it's going to be even harder to extract when you hit. Betting into the field is insanely strong looking from the SB, so I don't think you can get stacks in too often when you hit a set. Ofc when there are whales limping there's no way I fold, but OP said nothing about whales just a reasonable young guy limping.