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Originally Posted by Jarretman
I don't like the 3bet pre but it really depends if villain is calling 3bets IP light or not. Judging by your "uh-oh" statement he wasn't. 3betting because you're likely ahead of his range is flawed logic and you have to think of the type of hands he will call you with, because if it's only hands that beat you then you're turning a great hand into a bluff preflop. If he is however calling 3bets light IP then good 3bet.
I guess I don't understand this piece.
Why am I not trying to take down a pot like this pre-flop?
And if he's calling 3bets light, doesn't this hamper us from putting him on a range of hands?
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Turn I don't like at all. Your bet wreaks of weakness. I don't mind firing again on this turn but make it like ~300 or so. I also don't mind check/calling this turn because villain can easily try to represent the flush given his description. The shove is ew and you know he's pretty much pot committed at this point right? Along with that, your pair of queens is VERY rarely the best hand right here and you are most likely drawing to either 9 or 15 outs OTT (7 if he's already got a flush). No worse hand is calling your shove, and no better hand is folding.
Yeah, right after the words left my mouth I hated it.
As I said in the OP, I thought just calling the turn did 2 things, opened the door for him to bluff me on the river if a blank came, and if it didn't allowed him to get away without putting any more money in the pot.
I understood that I was likely behind on the turn, but thought I could get him to potentially fold out 1pair/2pair hands by raising. Maybe the stack sizes weren't deep enough for this logic. Plus I knew I had outs even if I was behind and was getting a good enough price if I had 12 outs (with make up if I hit after he called for the times I was way behind)
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PS: lol at thinking it's likely villain has 33
Actually I put him on 1 pair/2 pair hands with 33 being the next likely holding before 44 and flushes. So I honestly thought I had 12 clean outs (3 A's and 9 flushes)
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the help...