1. Fold pre.
2. We need to talk about this:
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Originally Posted by joker4
...I lead to protect my straight against flushdraws. However, I got worried that the probability of one of 5 (!) opponents flopping flush could be shockingly high (like 30-40%). After all, their limp / call ranges contain a lot of suited hands. On the other hand, villain would have probably raised a flush on the flop.
On a monotone flop, any hand that isn't a flush is basically a bluff-catcher. There are two main types of hands that we can bluff-catch with here: hands that can improve, like nut flush draws, 2P and sets, and hands that can't, like straights.
There's no point in betting a straight from OOP into five opponents on a monotone flop. In a six-way, single-raised pot, odds are decent that someone flopped a flush, and anyone with a pocket pair has a 50-50 chance of having a flush draw to go with it.
If anyone has a flush or a flush draw, they'll call, and we won't know if we're bluffing or betting our hand for value and protection. If we check, someone is going to bet if they have a flush, and probably bet a lot of flush draws, plus a lot of 2P / sets that need protection.
So, checking allows our opponents to bluff, and allows us to bluff-catch. When we're bluff-catching, we're not looking to bet or raise to build the pot. We're just check-calling.
When a pot gets contested by so many players, we need a very strong hand to bet any size for value, especially if we're betting big. Once one player bets, especially nearly full pot, there's not much reason for any of the other players to raise. Flopped flushes don't need much protection, and draws don't want to get 3B off their equity. Sets and 2P are just hoping to boat up on the turn or river.
As played, once you bet almost full pot, get called by V1, and face an all-in jam for $3 more from V2, we're kind of in no-man's land while looking at a dry side-pot and a protected main pot. V1 could have the flush already, or a flush draw, or some 2P/set combo that's hoping to boat up. He could also have Q9 for a chop.
We can bet turn to charge V1's flush draws to see the river, but now we basically are bluffing, mostly hoping V1 folds. And what are we doing if the river is another club, or a brick? Checking to induce a bluff, or betting and hoping V1 folds a flush, or calls with 2P/sets? If we check a brick, I don't see how we can ever fold if V1 bets.
Bottom line - this just isn't how you play a bluff-catcher.