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11-23-2022 , 09:57 PM

Bluffallo

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loose 1/1 very deep with multiple straddles

1/1/2/4

Hero TAG image open 5h6h to £20 (£600eff)

4 straddle good pro calls

Flop - Kh9h3h

C/ hero bets £15, V call

Turn 2c

C/ hero bets £75, V raise to £200

what’s our line?

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11-23-2022 , 10:25 PM

larry the legend

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Too big of a bet on the turn. You lose to a million combos of flushes. You beat one. Is he ever doing this with a set or two pair?

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11-23-2022 , 10:45 PM

Bluffallo

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Agree the turn bet is too much - think £50 is better, but in game I wanted to charge all his flush draws & sets/2P the max.

although he 3! Kk & 99 sometimes pre so set unlikely & not really many 2P combos other than K9.

I also think he is over bluffing with naked Ah here, perhaps best line is to call & then call all non heart rivers if/when he shoves?

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11-23-2022 , 11:34 PM

larry the legend

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If he is a good pro heshouldnt be raising the naked Ah

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11-24-2022 , 09:48 AM

Tilt4Deception

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Originally Posted by larry the legend

If he is a good pro heshouldnt be raising the naked Ah

Just out of curiosity, why shouldn't he do this with Ah? If you want to find any bluffs here the nut blocker seems as good as it gets. Plus calling with the Ah is not an option either. No implieds, bad pot odds.

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11-24-2022 , 09:59 AM

larry the legend

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Originally Posted by Tilt4Deception

Because most players wont fold a fush for any price unless the 1 loner comes, and H should be weighted to flushes withthe size of his bet

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11-24-2022 , 10:23 AM

Tilt4Deception

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Originally Posted by larry the legend

Because most players wont fold a fush for any price unless the 1 loner comes, and H should be weighted to flushes withthe size of his bet

Thanks. So as an exploit you just would not bluff in this spot? Which means if hero plays against you here he would just b/f, which in turn should lead to a situation in which you would start bluffing hero and mostly just call your value hands, right?

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11-24-2022 , 01:07 PM

larry the legend

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Originally Posted by Tilt4Deception

If I am 90% certain H has a flush by his bet sizing. Of course Im not ever bluffing him unless Ive seen him fold third nuts in the past on the turn. (Unlikely).

I dont have a solver but I believe solver likes 1/3 or 1/4 size here from H. And Im not sure there is a single raise in the range on the turn for V.

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11-24-2022 , 02:37 PM

Grease

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Originally Posted by larry the legend

Too big of a bet on the turn. You lose to a million combos of flushes. You beat one. Is he ever doing this with a set or two pair?

I think this is the operative question. If he doesn’t, you have a bluff catcher only.

Could he C/R here as a bluff?

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