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Originally Posted by blargh257
The c-bet in the above example is for value, right?
Also should we consider the possibility of a set of the unnamed "x" card on the flop? That could depend on betting ranges too, since depending on how low the x card is some people won't open that hand.
I don't particularly mind raising the turn, your hand has improved. I would fold to the shove. It's quite unusual for people to shove over bets like this with anything that isn't nutted.
You're asking me if our c-bet with QQ here would be for value? If you're asking because you think every bet is for value, or is a bluff, that's not really how modern poker theorists view it. We bet to build a bigger pot in case we win it, and to prevent our opponent from realizing their equity.
So, c-betting here might be seen as a value bet, because we can get value from V's draws, or as a bluff, because we can credibly rep a hand stronger than the one we have. But we're betting to build a pot we expect to win, and deny V's equity in the pot.
Should we consider V might have bottom set on the flop? Generally, it's never a bad idea, but it wouldn't stop me from c-betting here, when we have both the range and nut advantage.
More specifically, I'd want to know the stack sizes, and whether or not we're deep enough for V to profitably set-mine. It would help to have some reads on V, to have some idea if he's even good enough to understand that concept when he opens UTG and flat calls our 3B.
If the low card on the flop is 8 or under, and he's playing a short stack, I'm not worried about him having a set here. If the low card is a T or J, I'd be more worried about a straight. I'm not worrying about V flopping a set just because he opened UTG and called a 3B pre, and then the board is whatever it is. It's hard to make a pair, much less a set.
We should be c-betting this flop a lot, and slowing down by checking on the turn a lot, even though we've improved, because that's what we'd do with the strongest hands in our range here. If we had AA and flopped top set, that was the nuts on the flop, but the Q on the turn downgrades our hand - it's no longer the nuts. JT is now the nuts, which is why we DON'T raise when V leads out.
If we c-bet flop, V would have more than likely checked to us on turn, and we should check back. When we check flop, and V leads turn, we should just call, and hope the board pairs or V checks to us on the river.