Hi Everyone. I’m fairly new to 2+2 and more or less newbie to Poker with less than 100 hours live play.

I came to Frankfurt for work for few days and played poker in one of the close casinos. The game is 2/4 no limit with 100 Euro Min and no max. The game plays very heavy compared to what I’ve seen so far in 1/2 or 1/3 in U.S or Canada. There were lots of raised Mississippi and UTG straddles and people will call/raise with pretty much any two cards.
The hand in question came from a good, but very aggressive villain on the button. He strattled for 8 on the button with an effective stack of 424. I had about 900 In Mid position and looked at 10h Jh. I call the 8and the guy in the cutoff position also calls the 8. The straddle raises it to 24 and I elect to call and so does the player behind me.
Flop comes
9s 8h 4c
Given that I can expect this guy to raise his straddle with pretty much any two cards, and that I have fairly nitty table image, I lead out and bet 50. This sizing wasn’t anything out of ordinary for this table. The CO calls and the straddle raises to 150.

The villain had seen me fold to few large bets and I figured he was trying to get me off the pot. While I was thinking he murmured that my mid second pocket pair wasn’t good here as he’d seen me lead out before with second pair. I figured I was most likely behind and hoped that he had A-8 or A-9. Since the pot had about 325 at this point, I decided to call the 100 and hoped to improve on the turn by hitting the straight or pick up the flush draw to along with my straight draw. The CO folds.

Turn is 6h.

Villain has 250 behind now with 450 in the pot. Since I have the open ended straight draw and the flush draw, I decided to go all in. Even if behind, I still had about 30% chance of making the winning hand at the river. I was hoping that he’d just fold right there. He thought about it for a while wondering out lout if I had hit a set but didn’t think I’d play a set like that. Eventually he threw his last 250 in and show the 8 4 two pair. The river was a brick A.

My question is whether the call on the flop was correct- any feedback on the turn play is also appreciated. Thank you

I think people will tell you to fold to a PF bet with TJ

Ppl on two plus two are generally tight

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The answer is dependent on the on the stack size of the cut-off. You will make the straight roughly 1/3 of the time. The only reason to flat the 150 raise, is we hope to see the turn three handed and getting implied odds better than 1:3.

There is 172 in the pot, you need to call another 100. 100 to win a 272 pot (1:2.72) is less than 1:3. You need to cutoff to call to make the pot odds correct.

If this were a heads up situation, or you believe you see the turn HU, the call is incorrect. Villian has commited 158 out of his 424 stack. Classic shove/fold decision.

My opinion on turn play: If you are going to shove the turn, you should have shoved the flop.

On your next post please include the stacks of all the players and please do not include results.

Sorry, early morning math errors.

There is 322 in the pot not 272. You have to call 100 to win 422 (1:4.22). Your odds are roughtly 1:3. Running the hand on the odds calculator you have 34.95% equity. So calling is correct by pot odds.

C/O is still in the hand with undetermined stack size, which makes it less straight forward. Since you put the villian on such a wide range, I want to 3bet all in and gain fold equity.

Folding this preflop is bad, especially on a wild table. We have a solid hand (even though we're out of position). The line I would take here would be to check/raise the flop and shove this turn. If he shoves over our bet on the flop we can justify a fold given our pot odds at 55% if he shoves his remaining 350 into a 278 pot (assuming he c-bets 50 and we check/raise to 150), where our odds of hitting the necessary straight are at 32%. If he just calls the 150 (assuming he c-bets and we can check/raise) we put him in a very tough spot by shoving 250 into 378 with a lot of outs to hit if he calls with a pair or 2pair type hand.

Hero isn't all in. He bought the right to see one card by calling 100 dollars. He's going to improve by the turn 17% of the time. That's 5-1. Calling the flop raise was very -EV.

Seeing the river was far from free, it cost Hero the rest of his stack.

Fine as Played imo

this post is way too hard to read

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...mplate-770217/

I've never played in a game with a Mississippi straddle and I don't think it's good for the game but if I found myself in your spot, I would begin with a slightly larger raise preflop, say to 30 Euro. The button straddle has such a big advantage that we need to make them pay more to retain it. This would have changed the dynamics of the hand and he may have decided to toss the 84 preflop.

As played, I hate the flop lead if it accurately represents what you actually have, which is a marginal hand. Since he's seen you do this before, it'd be much better to do it with a strong hand. As much as I prefer to play hands with the initiative, a check/call in this spot keeps the pot manageable and will sometimes get you a free river card if he decides to check through the turn. Alternatively, we can checkraise a weak turn bet if we pick up more outs, like the heart that comes here. If villain bets strong again on the turn, we can resort to a call knowing that there's a good chance we'll get paid if we hit since our flush is backdoor and the straight may not be completely obvious.

More aggression preflop and this is an entirely different hand.

This.

But from what I read, I would raise or fold pre.

The 35% is until the river so it was about 18% to see the turn. I do agree that the 3bet all in would've been a good option.

Thank you all for the feedback. Very informative.

Sounds like villain is owning you. He knows you're leading the flop on weak hands, so he can raise you TONS, and apparently, cause you to make terrible calls. And when you miss, your check gives him the green light to bet you out of the pot.

As mentioned, start leading big made hands you're willing to play for stacks.

Check-raise medium strength stuff with decent equity, like OESD's.

Raising 84 is a little beyond good-LAG play. If this is the case, then he's probably raising every straddle hand he plays. Calling JT pre-flop is only good if your'e ready to get it in with a big draw. That's you rmost likely post-flop holding, and you know he's going to put pressure on you. So if you aren't going to CRAI on this flop, you need to FOLD pre-flop.