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Looking for opinions about a few less ridiculous 2/5 hands Looking for opinions about a few less ridiculous 2/5 hands

02-05-2024 , 05:53 PM
Haven't read any spoilers (although know V2 had you beat with AQ in H2)...

H2 is just a much better 3bet pre. vs. tilted guy, you don't want it to go to the flop 3-5 ways. Also much easier to get V2 to fold equity pre. than after he hits TPTK.

Just bet flop, to echo everyone. Can't believe you check KQ and bet 55 and title the thread "less ridiculous 2/5 hands"

After the min. click raise + 3bet on turn ... I'd be very tempted to call it down on missed clubs. Any agro. tilted V can see this is a **** spot with NFD (or even worse) on the turn, but he probably has okay equity as your line looks weird which can be seen as bluffy ... and his action might look strong, although wtf better hands can even think of this play apart from QQ.
If he's bad or a genius maybe AA/KK are doing this, but whatever we gotta lose sometimes.


H1 + H3 bet big on turn, probably overbet in both spots.
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02-05-2024 , 06:49 PM
I mean...I thought they were less ridiculous than some of the other hands I've posted recently.

I get that betting 55 on the flop in H1 was a bit ambitious, and that I got insanely lucky to make a set on the turn. But it's hard to make a pair, and I had one that I thought needed some protection.

When everyone checks to me, my choices are bet and get some folds, or check back and basically give up and fold to any bet in front of me when I don't improve on the turn or river, if I even see the river. I figured it couldn't be terrible to bet small, even if someone called from OOP.

If I bet and everyone folded, or if I got called, checked-back turn, and folded to a river bet, or just lost at showdown, I wouldn't even remember it. The hand is only memorable because I improved on the turn.

As for H2 - I don't know what to do with KQo any more. If I raise pre with it from the blinds, people hate that. If I just call with it from LP, people hate that too. If I bet flop multi-way after an EP raiser range-checks, cool, but if I decide to check back flop and raise turn instead, WTF. It's my new least-favorite hand.

The BTN on my left was a calling station. Not that I thought he'd always cold-call a 3B, but I thought he might, incentivizing V1 to 4B-squeeze, especially if one or both of the blinds cold-called. The SB was the main V from H3, and he seemed eager to get involved whenever the guy on my left was in a hand.

V1 was relentlessly 3B'ing my opens prior to this hand, and I didn't think KQo was strong enough to 3B and call a 4B. I thought it made the most sense to just flat call and see a flop IP and multi-way, getting good pot odds, without bloating the pot, and possibly being last to act on future streets if the BTN folded instead of over-calling.

When you say bet big on turn in H1 and H3, what size do you like? I bet a little less than 2/3 pot in H1, not really being sure how strong V was when he just flat-called the flop.

In H3 I bet 60% pot on turn, again not sure how strong V was, but thinking he probably would have x/r'd flop with QJ or 44, and if not, thinking he might want to x/r turn, for value or as a bluff, if I bet small, but might fold all his Jx and some Qx if I just blast off.

I was trying to figure out which would be better - bet smaller to induce a x/r, or bet bigger and hope to get stacks in on the river. If I bet small, and he x/r's, and I call, maybe he gets scared and goes into defense mode on the river, unless he improves. But if I bet bigger, and he just calls, I only have one bet size on the river - all in.

I wasn't sure which way to go. When that happens, I usually go down the middle, in this case aiming for 2/3 pot. Still probably not the best turn size, given that I had to get tricky by betting the river small.
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02-05-2024 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
V1 is tilted and you called his raise. The only reason to call his raise is because you think he is tilted and you want him to shove so you can snap him off, so do it.
What she said. I was hoping you called H2 (Though like the rest, min-click? Really?) Maybe it's the FOS Asian contingent I play here, but I'm not giving him credit for anything beyond TP. I like not betting this flop with that PF raiser FWIW, though not raising KQo makes my teeth itch. I think his play is purely dynamic, and honestly should've been a turn jam vs this c/r Now watch he v.betted you seriatim...

H1, bet whatever induces this guy to think they may have FE on the river and thereby shove over you. Thinking 200. Or maybe they're in calldown mode? Hard to say. I think you're more likely to get his stack if you let him rip it over you though.

I'll address H3 in a sec. Edit. Read it. Jam H3 on the river.
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02-06-2024 , 06:35 PM
I appreciate everyone's input, sincerely, even if it may seem like I don't.

I'm still learning and trying to improve. My hope when discussing hands is to see if others think my reasoning holds up logically, rather than simply knowing what the solver-approved play would be.

After reading all the comments, and thinking back through the hands...

H1 - I waffled back and forth between worrying V had 88 (MUBS), and worrying he didn't have a strong enough hand to call a big bet on turn and river when I improved to a set. I don't think stabbing at the flop with a pair when everyone checks to me is terrible, but I'm sure I lost value not betting bigger on turn and river.

H2 - Pre, I didn't want to "poke the bear" by getting out of line with KQo, multiway, against an UTG V who was very aggro even before he was tilted. Didn't think I could rep stronger than KQ on the flop, and again, didn't want to poke the bear yet, expecting him to check-raise if anyone stabbed at it. My min-click over V2's turn bet wasn't very well thought out, as far as what I was trying to rep. I was just thinking V2 probably wouldn't 3B with better or fold with worse Qx. Once V1 3B's to $400, I don't think I have any better options than to call and fold river if he jams on a 3rd club. If he played AA, KK, QQ, or AQ that way, he's just going to get my money.

H3 - Similar to H1, I was worried he had a better boat with QJ, and worried he didn't have a strong enough hand to call a bigger bet on turn. In a SRP, he doesn't have AA, KK, QQ, JJ or AQs when he just calls IP. I figured he had AQo, KQ, QJs, 44, a flush, or some air / busted straight draw he was planning to turn into an insane bluff. Didn't think AQo, KQ, or air would call a big turn bet when the board paired and the flush draw came in. But of course that's silly - he's not folding trips there very often. I got lucky he had 44. I probably would have lost value against every other hand in his range.
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02-07-2024 , 09:14 AM
I don't see why you don't bet TPGK when passed to in position because you are afraid of a bluff x/r. That seems good. Obviously, you can't be sure it is a bluff, and it winds up being a big pot, as occurred.
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02-07-2024 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
I don't see why you don't bet TPGK when passed to in position because you are afraid of a bluff x/r. That seems good. Obviously, you can't be sure it is a bluff, and it winds up being a big pot, as occurred.
It was a multi-way SRP. A couple players in the pot were prone to slow-playing. I figured someone between UTG and me could have been slow-playing something like 2P, and UTG could x/r huge. So, if I bet KQ, UTG raises huge, and anyone calls or re-raises, I just have to fold.

On the turn, when the 2nd club comes, and UTG and everyone else checks to V2 on my right, I know no one has anything. When V2 bets, I figured he had QX, probably a worse QX. The 2nd club adds any number of flush draws out there, but with the Qc in my hand, no possibility anyone could have TP + the flush draw, so I raised to isolate.
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