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2. JCW is just as bad as I was saying he was. But he runs white-hot and is aggro monkey so it's easily camouflaged. To anyone saying he plays successfully for a living - I would not take his word for it. Giraffes plz.

JCW was truly horrible, and clearly lacks fundamental.

However, I always wonder if what these guys are doing is perfectly sufficient in a big poker market. Surely he's not going to have much of any chance in a game full of above average fish and 2-3 decent regs, but he may never have to sit at such table.

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04-13-2013 , 01:33 PM

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Can someone really explain why I'm weak tight. The hands I was playing weak tight people don't play.

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04-13-2013 , 01:35 PM

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To be clear, I did not say I think he is necessarily a losing player. However, compared to his self-proclaimed standard and the standards set for him by others (that of a professional winning player of several years) he is pretty bad and probably being untruthful (I hesitate to use the word "liar".)

Compared to regular-old standards of the average player, he is decent and probably a marginal winner.

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04-13-2013 , 01:35 PM

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I didn't see JCW do anything aggro? The closest was he open raised T9s, but then called, called, called, binked and shoved...

Other than that he loose passive pre, and raised and bet his value hands.

Then he seemed to kinda go into lockdown after the big hand with KK vs 85.

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04-13-2013 , 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TAOxEaglex

To be clear, I did not say I think he is necessarily a losing player. However, compared to his self-proclaimed standard and the standards set for him but others (that of a professional winning player of several years) he is bad and probably being untruthful.

Compared to regular-old standards of the average player, he is decent a probably a marginal winner.

I agree with your assessment, and he's easily considered a spot in any table.

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04-13-2013 , 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks

Can someone really explain why I'm weak tight. The hands I was playing weak tight people don't play.

I don't think they are saying you were weak tight. You just played 88 weak tight in that one hand.

Also, when Sujit opened the CO or HJ and you were in position with QJo and folding is a little weak tight.

But other than that you played pretty standard tag, raising when entering pots and keeping the lead post. Some of your decisions to raise in MP were questionable (A5o, K9o? maybe it was suited) with JWC and others behind and in position.

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04-13-2013 , 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks

Can someone really explain why I'm weak tight. The hands I was playing weak tight people don't play.

Weak-tight simply means you only played value hands and folded to lots of aggression. You never tried to get fancy and out-level people.

This is a GOOD thing.

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04-13-2013 , 01:43 PM

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I'm going to be nitty, and disagree with that definition of weak tight. To me, weak tight is folding too much in spots where you shouldn't. Not folding a lot in spots where you should fold a lot.

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04-13-2013 , 01:47 PM

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Definitions blah blah *shrug*

In summary, ILCD played solid, if somewhat unexciting poker, which is perfectly awesome.

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04-13-2013 , 01:52 PM

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Opening wide with JWC behind is definitely a bad idea.

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04-13-2013 , 01:52 PM

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I'm going to be nitty, and disagree with that definition of weak tight. To me, weak tight is folding too much in spots where you shouldn't. Not folding a lot in spots where you should fold a lot.

This, but overall he played better than he posts. Definitely have some things to clean up.

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04-13-2013 , 01:53 PM

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Definitions blah blah *shrug*

In summary, ILCD played solid, if somewhat unexciting poker, which is perfectly awesome.

This. I think you put yourself in a couple spots that might have been less than perfect, thinking about the two K8s raises and the 62s, but you didn't fight too hard with them when you found resistance which I can respect, and you hit perfectly against sujit who was never folding 2pr especially given how spewy he looked. He likely thought he was way ahead (and he should have been) but you stacked him so all's well that ends well I suppose.

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04-13-2013 , 01:54 PM

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Weak-tight simply means you only played value hands and folded to lots of aggression. You never tried to get fancy and out-level people.

This is a GOOD thing.

I play more than just value hands. If I would have only waited for premiums, I would have only played 5 hands on the show, 88x2,JJx2 and AQ.

As for JCW you guys are tripping that dude is good. You guys have to realize that when you play super laggy you will be a calling station pre. JCW clearly avoided me. If he wasn't good he would have been calling my raises.

Suijit yeah he was definitely the mark at the table. My read was just a bad rec player. I'm not calling his raise with QJo that's a 3bet or fold vs him. Folding is better.

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04-13-2013 , 01:58 PM

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Most important element of playing LAG is timed aggression. JCW can't even begin to comprehend what that means.

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04-13-2013 , 02:00 PM

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Well, again, I'm only about 2/3 of the way through and I've only seen you play a handful of times with like..JJ, KQ, 88 twice, and K8s, I think, while making some pretty nitty folds. Again, this is a complement.

I also sorta remember someone saying that in the hand against Aesah, that he could never have a 7 there. Why is that? How else would Aesah play a 7? Why would he raise it? I think that's exactly how he plays a 7.

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04-13-2013 , 02:09 PM

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He is not calling two barrels with a 7. That's why I know he didn't have a 7.

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04-13-2013 , 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks

QJ was a call because you had position and he was a mark. Play post. Basically you just in this post "Im not going to wait for premiums so I folded a non premium so I could wait for a premium." You didnt even hesitate on that fold. It folded around to him and you acted like he had a monster in the CO.

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04-13-2013 , 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks

He is not calling two barrels with a 7. That's why I know he didn't have a 7.

He called two barrels with air (2 overcards) so I'm pretty sure he calls two barrels when he has top pair.

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04-13-2013 , 02:17 PM

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BTW, JCW was a card rack last night. He got super lucky when he made that straight and played that hand absolutely horrible. I'm not saying I don't make mistakes, but I also don't act like I'm established.

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04-13-2013 , 02:18 PM

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Nope no hesitation, when I can just wait till he limps and raise.

But I agree I am a little inexperienced with flat calling ip. I was thinking I can't peel with JCW in the blinds. So it was a raise or fold. Maybe I was aware of JCW and Aesah too much. What did he have that hand ace?

Also what 2pair did sujit have vs my K9?

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04-13-2013 , 02:21 PM

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Lolz. Who was it that said they were surprised he didn't have a bruise from getting hit in the face with the deck? I've never seen the guy before but he certainly got every bit of luck from Jacob tank-shoving an obviously worse hand to top sets to pocket pairs every third hand. He didn't need any skill, he couldn't have lost if he tried.

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04-13-2013 , 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BiteMeFish

In the Jacob vs. JCW hand, JCW's range there is still 99+ plus a larger than normal amount of random spew (since it's JCW). He is barreling the K turn with 100% of his range. Therefore, it's probably ok to call but shoving is bad because it folds out all the fluff.

The real problem is that the stack sizes were super awkward and calling would him with like a 1/3 PSB.