Live Players: Please READ
03-10-2009
, 09:54 PM
I am predominantly a live player. I would like to encourage other live players to please post their hands in a more standard format. It is easier to digest, ensures you don't leave out any vital information, and may incite less animosity from the online players, who already hate our guts. [insert awkward laugh] (it would be funnier if it weren't true)
While it may be more difficult without a hand converter, a little practice will make it easier. I offer a simple set of guidelines and a template to help with this
Guidelines
1) Print relevant stack sizes and positions
2) Give reads. Try to be succinct, like TAG, LAG, etc, or raises about 1/2 hands in LP. Try to avoid posting a dozen hands for reads before the real hand unless absolutely necessary.
3) State your position and hand
4) State action on each street
5) Include pot size at each street
6) Include your own analysis at the end if possible so you don't bias others
7) Try NOT to include results. It may sound like a "closet bad beat story" (coined by 2Outs)
8) Print your question or request clearly at the end.
Template:
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400NL, 5/10 blinds
villain (SB) is a very good LAG. he’s either losing 5 BI’s in 30 min or up 10 BI’s whenever I see him. he’s got about $3000
hero (CO) has TAG image and villain knows this. hero has $400
Preflop: Hero (CO) dealt A
Q
UTG+1 limps, UTG+2 limps, hero raises to $55, SB calls, UTG+2 calls
Flop ($170): T T 8
2 checks, hero bets $100, SB calls
Turn ($370): 6
SB checks, hero?
Should I push or take the free card?
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I'm posting in this section because for some reason, there seem to be many more live hands here. There also seems to be much greater response from the entire community. I'd like to thank everyone who contributes and keeps the flaming to a minimal.
I would also suggest one other thing. It's true that the average live player has not experienced as many hands as a typical online player multi-tabling. So I often see (and I myself have posted) questions that seem very obvious, especially to the midstakes online players who have put in the time and experienced literally millions of hands.
My suggestion is that, if you have a feeling that your hand may be very standard, one that you should have encountered many times had you multi-tabled over the years, then consider posting it in the small full ring section.
It's not a case of "your $400 buy-in in a live game is not worth the same as a $400 buy-in in an online game". It's just that the game dynamics in a typical $400 live game is closer to the dynamics of a $100 or even $50 online game (players tend to limp more preflop, raising ranges are completely different, etc). I just believe that you would get better advice in the small full ring forum. For the same reason, I would imagine that if a player who typically plays $400 online decided to play $100 online because the table was juicy, he/she would post his $100 hand in the small ring forum as well.
Let me just finish by saying, I am not trying to create a divide between the live and online players/sections. Quite the opposite, I want to ensure that we're all speaking the same language and find help from the most appropriate place and people.
Have a nice day
While it may be more difficult without a hand converter, a little practice will make it easier. I offer a simple set of guidelines and a template to help with this
Guidelines
1) Print relevant stack sizes and positions
2) Give reads. Try to be succinct, like TAG, LAG, etc, or raises about 1/2 hands in LP. Try to avoid posting a dozen hands for reads before the real hand unless absolutely necessary.
3) State your position and hand
4) State action on each street
5) Include pot size at each street
6) Include your own analysis at the end if possible so you don't bias others
7) Try NOT to include results. It may sound like a "closet bad beat story" (coined by 2Outs)
8) Print your question or request clearly at the end.
Template:
=============================
400NL, 5/10 blinds
villain (SB) is a very good LAG. he’s either losing 5 BI’s in 30 min or up 10 BI’s whenever I see him. he’s got about $3000
hero (CO) has TAG image and villain knows this. hero has $400
Preflop: Hero (CO) dealt A
QUTG+1 limps, UTG+2 limps, hero raises to $55, SB calls, UTG+2 calls
Flop ($170): T
T 82 checks, hero bets $100, SB calls
Turn ($370): 6
SB checks, hero?
Should I push or take the free card?
===============================
I'm posting in this section because for some reason, there seem to be many more live hands here. There also seems to be much greater response from the entire community. I'd like to thank everyone who contributes and keeps the flaming to a minimal.
I would also suggest one other thing. It's true that the average live player has not experienced as many hands as a typical online player multi-tabling. So I often see (and I myself have posted) questions that seem very obvious, especially to the midstakes online players who have put in the time and experienced literally millions of hands.
My suggestion is that, if you have a feeling that your hand may be very standard, one that you should have encountered many times had you multi-tabled over the years, then consider posting it in the small full ring section.
It's not a case of "your $400 buy-in in a live game is not worth the same as a $400 buy-in in an online game". It's just that the game dynamics in a typical $400 live game is closer to the dynamics of a $100 or even $50 online game (players tend to limp more preflop, raising ranges are completely different, etc). I just believe that you would get better advice in the small full ring forum. For the same reason, I would imagine that if a player who typically plays $400 online decided to play $100 online because the table was juicy, he/she would post his $100 hand in the small ring forum as well.
Let me just finish by saying, I am not trying to create a divide between the live and online players/sections. Quite the opposite, I want to ensure that we're all speaking the same language and find help from the most appropriate place and people.
Have a nice day
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, 08:48 PM
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, 12:46 PM
