The real key to this hand is that the first player who made the raise that would pot commit both is the most likely to win the hand. Against players that think about pot commitment, realize that sizing / timing raises to make the last pot committing raise (without going all-in) can be very +EV.

In other words, she can't call his flop raise without being pot committed and she feels that he is pot committed so she has no fold equity if she shoves.

On the other hand, her raise left them enough chips behind for him to make a raise that had significant fold equity.

Do you guys all make the preflop call in Bryce spot? JJ has to be behind her 4b range and tough to play out of position. Granted he made what is in heindseight a great postflop play based on results but anyone thoughts on calling 4b oop with jj? If he can bluff her off qq+ on these kinds of boards then doesn't that also make set mining less profitable?

I think people suggesting to check back this flop is extremely results oriented. She was getting a decent price to call off, just think she had to find the call button. But if she has no history or doesn't know he is capable of this, the bet/fold line is understandable. You can't give a free card on this board and you also need to protect/get value. Additionally as someone mentioned checking back for pot control also can be exploited with aggression by observant villains (such as Bryce) on future streets.

Imo, bet is mandatory for many reasons. (balance,value,equity prot). I'm sure had she checked back and a bad turn card came and she got bluffed and/or outdrawn everyone would be saying... "man, she should have bet the flop" Results oriented thinking is hard to avoid yo.

Personally given the pot and the villains competency and age/image, showing the q4 hand earlier I would convince myself to call off. 1) we are getting a certain amount of pot odds at this point. 2)villain is capable thinking player 3)it's a draw heavy board, villain is capable to semibluff/bluff and, it's hard to flop 2pair +. 4) we can discount kk,aa for the most part based on actions. (not entirely but they can be ruled out quite abit)
we are really only concerned with sets, and it's very hard to flop a set, he should have 2pair, or pair+draw,/ tt, or otherstuff enough to convince myself to look him up.

I asked this question in my post as well and am pretty sure I fold, but again, I'm playing 1/2 mostly and don't run into too many players who will 4bet me with AK or TT. Generally in my reg game a 4 bet is almost always AA or KK and occasionally but rarely QQ.

So even that deep, I'm probably just letting go of JJ there, even though I'm highly likely to get their whole stack when I hit my set.

As per your other comments, I see what you mean regarding results oriented, and I tried not to think about the hand that way, but once you know the results it's tough to undo.

However given how it played out, you seem to favor stacking off with the Queens there. I really want to disagree with you as I narrowed his range to AA, KK, JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77 & AhKh. Against that range QQ is crushed which I would lead to believe makes this a terrible -EV spot to call off in. Is my thinking flawed here? Even if you eliminate AA & KK knowing he always 5 bets you, she's still behind a good margin.

Is the problem that she bet too little giving herself too much fold equity? What if she had fired something like 1500 into that pot? Can he still make that play? I can't think so since that should pot commit her.

Betting flop was her mistake OR if she bets the flop it is to go with it. She did neither.

+1.

You can't really bet/fold this flop in a 4b pot vs this type of villain at these stakes, you will just be burning money. Her hand is face up and he knows that this will be a scary board for her to put in her stack on. Because of this and the complete range of hands he can have in this spot, she has to just get it in. It's not like she is putting in 300bb in a single raised pot; she is putting in just over 250bb in a 4b pot vs an aggressive villain.

Like the announcers said, when you are playing really deep like this it sets up situations where you can push players off hands. This would never work in a 1/2 game both due to stacks and player ability. Agree that Bryce was the best player. He also made a sick call in the Q4 hand when the guy donk bet 3 streets with AK.

I think if I am Cookie here, I am at least happy I have this guy to my right and have position on him, but also really want to avoid big pots with someone who is a good reader and is fearless. Lets say she just calls. Bryce will bet the flop, she calls, and we can go from there. But even if she has KK or AA and 4 bets she will still find herself in the same spot on the flop.