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Live / NL QQ Pre-flop Call or Shove? Live / NL QQ Pre-flop Call or Shove?

10-17-2008 , 12:25 PM
Live $5/$5 NL Buy-in $150-$400

Hero: $1,200.
Villain 1: $200
Villain 2: $600

I’m about three or four hours into the session and have been picking up quite a few hands and therefore 3-betting and raising pre-flop quite a bit.

Villain 1 has been playing for the same amount of time and villain 2 has just joined about an hour ago and already won a couple of pots.

I’m perceived as a tight player pre-flop.

The table is fairly loose pre-flop for small raises but tightens up quite a bit when the bigger bets are made.

Villain 1 is also tight pre-flop however looks to be tilting a little after losing a couple of big pots his stack an hour ago was about $900.

Villain 2 seems to have some idea what he’s doing however always raises to $15 whenever entering a pot. Never raises more and never limps. Although he has some positional awareness this doesn’t narrow down his pre-flop starting hands much. He sees a lot of flops maybe 30-40% and calls moderately sized pre-flop three bets lightly.

Villain 2 UTG
Villain 1 CO
Hero is UTG+2 with QQ.

Villain 1 raises to $15
Hero raises to $70
Villain 2 Shoves for $200
Villain 1 thinks for a bit looks at me and my stack a few times and then calls

Hero?

Folding can’t be right cause the shover’s range is a tilty range like TT+ AQ+ and he knows that my three-betting range could be wider cause of Villain 2s tendency to raise to $15 every time.

Villain 1s range is also fairly wide however I narrow him down to 88+ AQs+ after he calls the shove. He does call 3-bets, even shallow stacked, lightly.

So Villain 1 has $400 back do I shove here and try to fold AK and maybe get a call from JJ or TT who’s a little tied to the pot. Shoving may also fold Villain 2 allowing me to get all-in heads-up against the tilty Villain 1.
How often do we think that Villain 2 is smooth calling pre-flop with KK or AA?

Do we normally interpret Villain 2s call as weakness? I mean we would have to right?

Call or Shove?

Feedback and comments greatly appreciated.
Live / NL QQ Pre-flop Call or Shove? Quote
10-17-2008 , 02:50 PM
Wait, who has the short stack $200, villain 1 or 2? I believe you have switched around the villains.
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10-17-2008 , 07:01 PM
so villian 2 just cold calls 1/3 of his stack for 200?
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10-17-2008 , 07:02 PM
jesus thats a wierd spot...

against a "tag" I would say he has AK 4/5 based on what Ive been told..
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10-17-2008 , 08:16 PM
Sorry i've made it a little confusing. Villain 1 has the short stack. My the decision I have to call or shove is against Villain 2 who is UTG.
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10-17-2008 , 08:18 PM
Quote:
Villain 1 raises to $15
Hero raises to $70
Villain 1 Shoves for $200
Villain 2 thinks for a bit looks at me and my stack a few times and then calls
My bad.
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10-18-2008 , 01:27 PM
I call here. On a low board I shove. Call a shove from UTG. I think AK is calling our preflop shove as well, and I wouldnt want to gamble for stacks. AA/KK shove pf IMO.
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10-22-2008 , 04:04 PM
shove imo
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