this table was a dream. bunch of loose passives, nobody with any real clue.

super lop is an og, kinda pleasant guy you root for when you're not in a hand with him. even tho he's put a few mega suckouts on people, he's been stacked twice and keeps buying in for the min. all that being said, i've been abusing him with a cycle of iso -> cbets.

villain is tight passive girl on a HEATER. she's up a ton only playing a few hands / nut peddling but big pots on each one. playing pretty sf and nothing too spewy or out of line. she does call a wider range when multi-way. recent history is i raised with some piece of garbage, one caller + tp girl comes along, she donks J hi dry flop and we both fold.

i'm playing kinda laggy.

super lop limps EP (400)
me raises to 40 in MP with K5cc (2500)
another lop calls LP (1k)
tp girl calls BB (3k)
limper calls

flop: QsTc8c (165)

tp girl donks 60
super lop folds
me RAISES to 175
another lop folds
tp girl thinks for ~30 secs, then calls

turn: Kd (515)
tp girl checks
me bets 325
tp girl tanks for ~30 secs, then calls

river: 3c
tp girl tanks for 15 secs, grabs the only $100 chips she has left and tosses them forward (there are five of them).

we're about even in stacks, ~1500 behind, 1200 in the pot.

me ????

Shove, make her think you're tryin' to buy it

Yeah, i think the only way a shove is not right is if you know she'll only call with the NF. Otherwise you might get paid off if you raise and shoving might look a bit weaker than a smaller raise (although it probably won't make that much of a difference)

Unless you know for a fact she will only call with ace high flush, shove. There are plenty of flush combos out there, she views you as Laggy, she's loose in multi way pots, there was a huge donk flatting pre...tons of flush combos, and no reason to think she's folding any of them.

MBN.

SERIOUSLY, you going to put her on the nutz. If it was me i'm jamming and tappin the table if she shows the nutz. Your image is good and she'll call w/ lesser flush. ez game

Messed up pot size: she bet 500 into 1200 making pot 1700 with 1500 behind.

I was really seeing if anyone interpreted anything about her bet sizing, or the fact that she grabbed all her remaining 100 chips (she would have bet more if she had more, and 500 was still a big bet for her). But seems like who gives a sh!$ just shove...

I also doubt even with my image she would call a 1500 shove without the nuts, but maybe I'm wrong about that.

Villains like this don't usually tank each street with nut draws. I wouldn't be surprised if she showed up with some horrendous 2 pair or a set. I'm not shoving with your wannabe lag image (), but I'm def at least min-raising.

Can I ask what your plan was for the river if it bricked and she checked to you? I feel like a turn bet might not be your best play...
Also I think your flop raise is way too small.
As played I'm fine with slightly more than a minraise and fold to shove.

dgaf what happened to my free lag lessons?

if river bricked and she checked i would've potted it.

Tight is right kwan. Stick to the gameplan...

On flop your raise is 115 on top of 60 - so 285 pot and you bet 115. Not great, esp on this board.
I feel like if we are betting this turn, we are value betting, so why are we betting river?
Do we know if she will ever bluff missed draws if we check back turn? Would she lead with AJ here?

yeah, come to think of it, i guess flop raise was on the small side. i think this player is the type who desperately wants to get to showdown, but will get a little sticky with her donking range, so i was firing every street after i effectively turned the nuts. potting blank river looks like a missed draw imo (and it would be if i didn't turn the k).

This is a pretty standard shove on the river. She's going to call you with any flush since shes so bad, and if she has the nuts then I guess whatever. I'm still shoving here every single time.

She has a flush here 100% of the time, and since she is calling a river raise with ALL of her flushes (including nut flush of course), it makes a shove even easier.

I see people take this line all the time and they usually show up with straightdraw+flush draw or pair+flushdraw (luckily for you.... you can beat both!)

her range seems to be heavily weighted towards pair+draw type hands and on the river it was likely pair+FD. of course AQcc is in her range, but i still think you are giving up too much value to flat call the river. shove it in !

you're asking if we should be making a min-raise or shoving... right?

so what if i cry myself to sleep!?1

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living the dream...

Wait you say no you're not considering folding are you actually considering flatting? Has to be a raise idk if minr or shove is better it's probably pretty close I probably just ship. Sorry she had the nut flush.

well, i thought she unintentionally made a brilliant blocking bet based on stack sizes. i felt she would not call a ship w/o the nut flush, and if she jammed over a small raise i would be getting such ridic odds i dunno if i could fold. combined with the fact she was so tight i did end up just calling.

she flipped over Q9cc, and i was good.

right after the showdown i was kicking myself, and the next day after re-reading my post i was kicking myself even more. i guess i just posted this to have my ass kicked to not do it again

I don't think the odds matter with a river raise/fold if she has the nuts 100% of the time.

Tp + sfd vs pfr? That's no good, young lady.

fwiw, I would have flatted too, I put her on a flush so it's even money either it's the nuts or not.......Gawd I am such a NIT
Seriously thanks for the thread next time I will min in this spot....

she tanked on the flop because she had a pair and a straight draw???

Just shove dude, I don't think she can fold straight or lower flush.