Villian limps utg Hero in midish position maybe hj has AA raises to $35 villian calls.

Flop jh 5h 3d

V checks hero bets $40 V c/r to $120 with Eff stacks $400ish.

Hero?

At this point I'm new to the game with no read on villian at all. I did have ah

I ****ing hate these spots sooooooooo bad. I usually fold when Im deep. somtimes when Im deep I like to check dry boards like this even tho there are 2 hearts on the board to mix it up. I hate my life and just muck

most of the time this is a set but it's 80bb and it's aces.hate life and just call.

Good grief why?

No reads, I fold.

jam and feel pretty good if called. Most (obv not the competent ones making the "most" demographic) are cr-ing sets, overpairs, kj, aj, and big combo draws here). U started the hand with 120 bbs and there's def. enough villains who cr-fistpump call this texture w/tp n such.

There's just so many hands u can see live and play for stacks. dont fold

Calls.

Turn?

^ this is not deepstack play. Flatting with about a psb left? Are you planning on folding blank turns? Inducing? Hoping he shuts down and you go to showdown? Again, im speakin in a vacuum but a decent portion of his range is tp and a wet rundown will scare him and we lose value by just flatting his cr.

With no reads I'm not expecting people to be taking this line with top pair very often, and if they do, I'm only expecting the absolute worst of them to then call a shove from us (i.e. somebody who literally does not think about anything other than having TP).

I think by flatting we keep their range wider and therefore make it more profitable when we do get it in.

I'm obviously folding a turn jack and snapping an A, 5 or 3. If it's a brick or a heart I've got position and a chance to observe Villain if he shoves or possibly get him to slow down, but my initial plan is call it off pending new info/soul read.

That's why I said "Calls. Turn?"

Fwiw, folding on the flop is a disaster with position and the A of hearts regardless of stack depth unless Villain will never c/r without a monster. And I think it's pretty likely that we let him off the hook with any of the hands we want to see if we jam the flop, even at this stack depth.

If Villain (or without reads of any kind, if standard Villain in this game) c/r this flop with all kinds of TP and strangely played QQ and KK and is just auto stacking off those hands (in addition to sets and flush draws) when we jam, then go ahead and shovel it in.

id shove here all day and wouldn't even think twice about it. AJ is in his range, F draws, we beat alot of hands. plus were not deep so i have no problem ever stacking off in these spots with 100bbs unless i had a big read that the villain was a nit.

and mark: i don't think just calling here is good because there is a flush draw out there, and calling is basically committing us to the pot anyway so we mind as well shove it in now.

Do you have the ace of hearts?

People saying fold AA on a J53hh board with 80bb make me laugh.

It's close between either ship here or call here and call turn shove.

I think optimally we 3 bet to 280. Only because...

1- Slight chance villain folds X if we totally shove
2- Gives villain opportunity to get last punch in (which they cant refuse)
3- Doesnt hurt us ever since its all going in no matter what on turn

Always stop and look at betsizing. Does this look like a set? Not to me. it SURELY can be one, but it looks MORE like KK, QQ, AJ and all sorts of other stuff looking to shut us down IMO.

Things to consider:
How many cards will shut villain down if we flat the CR?
Will villain shut down on turn if in fact he does miss a FD on turn?
Will villain ever fold to a 3 bet?
Do we want to take the chance of any of the above?

The key is knowing all the right questions to ask, then we come up with the best solution.

If he makes this bad a betsize with set, then GG him. Yawn.

Had all most the exact same hand same situation 2 or 3 months ago 3-5 (Sub spades for Hearts, had As)

I ship, he snaps....

Hero: Set?

Villian: Yep.

Hero: F*ck

Dealer: Chips on table 10

Thanks for all the responses.

I ruled out calling, because live players arent c/r top pair then folding to a shove, and they arent folding a fl draw either, and of course an overpair. Plus if I call my hand is face up so I can't continue to further action.

I was close as to shoving or folding, and the ah, and with stack sizes as such I shoved for value, and he beat me in the pot with JJ.

We've got the nut redraw, which is also a blocker to a lot of his possible fd combos. There also aren't a lot of combo draws Villain should have here given pre. Looks like KQhh if that's what he's got, and I'm not worried that the money isn't going in against that hand pretty much regardless how we play it. If he's got like T9hh or something, he's butchering this hand pretty badly already. I also don't agree that calling is committing us to the pot, but it's moot because I'm not advocating a call with the intention of folding the tun.

Reraising flop is fine if you think Villain's range includes QQ and KK, since he's probably stacking off with those hands and possibly AJ, or if you think Villain is really just stacking off with TP regardless of the strength our 3bet conveys.

Folding is the only option that sucks, imo, and I definitely don't hate the idea of trying to get it in on the flop (as plenty of other people are suggesting).

I do think we're going to be looking at a set more often than people want to believe if the money all goes in on the flop though, as I have a hard time believing Villain is calling a 3bet shove or 4bet shoving himself with just TP without some serious history or information that Villain is maniac and cannot fold top pair.

This stings most players into playing poorly in future pots due to the results. This player played so poorly it is pitiful. But, we make mental notes of this and now you know he plays in the most novice manner oblivious to anyone other than his own hand.

For this stacksize I would not even blink after the hand was over. The fact that we have a blocker is not indicative of anything here. This guy would limp utg with KK and play the same way (i would bet anyhow). But the point is, when they play this bad (transparent) then we note it. He may as well have check shoved the flop. So yea, the first time he gets us, but not again.

just curious what would your bet size be if you were the villain with a set?

Against typical loose passives I'd fold. There are plenty of these guys. They are gonna be happy calling down with KJ/AJ etc or KK/QQ even. Raises from them usually mean A LOT of strength.

Against less transparent players I would probably flat and stack off OTT here since we are fairly shallow.