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07-04-2013 , 01:00 PM
Live - $2-3 NL. Hero has AA in MP

2 EP: limps.
MP: Hero raises to $15
BTN: calls.
2 limpers call.
4players: $53 pot.
Hero has $280 behind, BTN has $200ish behind.

BTN has been playing very loose preflop, playing probably half his hands. Young Asian male, probably late 20's. He's been chatting a little bit and seems a little aggressive postflop, but I haven't seen showdowns.

Flop: 227
checked to Hero: Bets $30
(My thinking is to bet smaller than normal on this board texture as I'm way ahead or way behind with no draws and missed sets are more likely to call smaller bet on this board.)
BTN: calls

Turn: 9
Hero Checks
BTN: bets $60
Hero: Calls

River: Q
Hero checks with the intention of calling river bet.
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07-04-2013 , 01:53 PM
seems ok to me since he has been aggro and c/c turn gives him a chance to bluff or valuetown himself when maybe he would simply fold to a second bet.
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07-04-2013 , 02:50 PM
If we want to take a bluff catching line, we should bet turn and c/c river. This way, villain might still put some air in our range. But when we c/c the turn, we clearly have showdown value, so villain will know that bluffing river is probably not a profitable play for him.
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07-04-2013 , 02:51 PM
I don't mind the line you took; although, I wouldn't just check call river I might try a min. raise and then of course fold to a 4bet.
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07-04-2013 , 03:22 PM
I think your preflop sizing should be quite a bit bigger with 2 limpers, maybe $22.

You should consider what your plan is with shutting down on the turn. Taking the flop 4-way I would 2/3 pot turn and fold to any further aggression.

Are there some particular reads I'm missing here where you're expecting a 2 barrel bluff out of V? Is he really THAT aggressive to bluff off his entire stack?

I would take in to account what you think villain's read on you here is.

BTN only has $110 behind on the river, so if you think he'll bluff off his stack on the river by all means c/c. For me I feel the better value here is in $60-75 bet on the river and call any shove obv. It's very likely that villain has a hand like 78, 89, 910, QJ, QK, or 88+ and will call you, but rather unlikely I feel that he will shove on a pure bluff or what would for him look like a thin value spot.


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Originally Posted by pokerstudent5001
I don't mind the line you took; although, I wouldn't just check call river I might try a min. raise and then of course fold to a 4bet.
This is not a good line, if you're check raising the river its for value. Take a look at the pot/stack sizes ($233 pot on the river) and this is pretty apparent
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07-04-2013 , 06:09 PM
This villain has Showdown value and will check back almost always.

Bet Half Pot and target villain placing us on AK like they always do, thus calling with his 7x or 88 whatever.
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07-04-2013 , 06:44 PM
you gotta try harder to get more money in here. Just donk something on the river like $80-120. BTN has like 95 left so just bet something around that amount, doesn't really matter what, but I wouldn't check the river to him...

check raising the turn is fine too. He started the hand with 200, and he has 95 left on the turn.. hard for him to fold if you c/r.
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07-04-2013 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by riguy724
I think your preflop sizing should be quite a bit bigger with 2 limpers, maybe $22.

You should consider what your plan is with shutting down on the turn. Taking the flop 4-way I would 2/3 pot turn and fold to any further aggression.

Are there some particular reads I'm missing here where you're expecting a 2 barrel bluff out of V? Is he really THAT aggressive to bluff off his entire stack?

I would take in to account what you think villain's read on you here is.

BTN only has $110 behind on the river, so if you think he'll bluff off his stack on the river by all means c/c. For me I feel the better value here is in $60-75 bet on the river and call any shove obv. It's very likely that villain has a hand like 78, 89, 910, QJ, QK, or 88+ and will call you, but rather unlikely I feel that he will shove on a pure bluff or what would for him look like a thin value spot.




This is not a good line, if you're check raising the river its for value. Take a look at the pot/stack sizes ($233 pot on the river) and this is pretty apparent
Yeah, check raise river for value because hero is way ahead. Villain won't call a bet on the river if he was bluffing, but might bet if checked to with a medium holding/air/pocket pair. And if he decides to bet on the river for less than all his chips with a medium holding, then he's pretty much pot committed the rest of the way and will call of his remaining chips.
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07-04-2013 , 07:26 PM
This board is the nuts for AA. Just bet/bet/shove and take the money. V is almost always checking back river with a worse hand than AA once you c/c turn since you pretty much always have a PP here. Triple barreling keeps your range wider to include bluffs versus c/c turn/river which looks like a 88-JJ type of hand trying to get a cheap showdown.

I would have gone 35 on flop, 80 on turn, shove river.
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07-04-2013 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
This board is the nuts for AA. Just bet/bet/shove and take the money. V is almost always checking back river with a worse hand than AA once you c/c turn since you pretty much always have a PP here. Triple barreling keeps your range wider to include bluffs versus c/c turn/river which looks like a 88-JJ type of hand trying to get a cheap showdown.

I would have gone 35 on flop, 80 on turn, shove river.
My line for this hand was similar, just out of curiosity, if you get shoved over on the turn are you folding or calling here?
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07-04-2013 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by riguy724
My line for this hand was similar, just out of curiosity, if you get shoved over on the turn are you folding or calling here?
I'm never folding AA on this board heads up for 100bb.
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07-04-2013 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by riguy724
My line for this hand was similar, just out of curiosity, if you get shoved over on the turn are you folding or calling here?
It's an obvious call. Also, preferably hero should bet/bet/shove like mentioned above, but AP, he should definitely be looking to get it in on the river vs just "calling" like he mentioned, which was why I said CR river.
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07-04-2013 , 09:44 PM
omg, dont lead river even after checking ott.

just b/b/j bro
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07-05-2013 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
This villain has Showdown value and will check back almost always.

Bet Half Pot and target villain placing us on AK like they always do, thus calling with his 7x or 88 whatever.
This

I'm never checking the river. These guys check too much and don't raise us enough when we take goofy lines like this.
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