The phantom redraw play/ freeroll is pretty standard in PLO; because it's possible, and not unlikely to have both the str8 and the redraw.
Seeing the results of this hand makes me realize how bad this play is in NL.

This is pretty close but I think villian only has aa/kk here and you would pretty much have to call because he wasn't vbetting hoping A calls him. Also the more stuck I am the more likely I am to call this.

BTW wanna trade run-bads? I played some 1/2nl this weekend nolie! I lost like 70 bucks on a set over set it was hilarious

A smug villain on a heater is the most dangerous player at the table imo- to himself and everyone else (moreso to himself)... You can go months in live poker though without really getting punished for overplaying everything/not respecting position/not protecting your deepstack. And then one day... Boom!

That's why for the most part you see different hotshots in the casinos every 6 months or so. I'm sure any vet (limon, jloc, clorox, snight, mmix85, etc) can attest to this.

Hiyah, I think you are right. I haven't dusted off that book in a very long time, but the more I think about it, this guy was playing "power poker."

Thanks for the get well soon wishes. I'll be fine, but I def appreciate the sentiment.

Good points/thanks for the advice... I agree with you about the de-clouding as I've admittedly been a lot less decisive/clear with my reads than usual due to getting sodomized over and over in all the big pots. It's real hard to play nitty in live poker, but I think a brief hiatus from 10-20+ (or selling pieces when I play those stakes for a while) is def in order.

He was fairly respected by some non-fish at the table and his swagger was at a million- most likely from dragging every pot for hours and having none of his fancy plays blow-up in his face. I think he's prob an old school, slightly winning rec player--> good feel for the game (especially when running well) but fairly lol fundamentals. He wasn't betting river for value if that's what you are getting at...

Tell me you got away from your hand .

My point exactly. And since DG is king of SLAGS, i wondered if he was fully taking this into acct. since a decent long streak of runbad. IOW, an adjustment is called for when the villains switch tactics for whatever reason. They WILL switch tactics based on how "unlucky" they think we are. I just wanted to make sure DG was cognizant all the while during a brutal streak where even a top players mind can get a little twisted.

And also, its certainly not voodoo. I get my hours in, period. But i do it as best as possible when i am pounding (or 800 lb. gorilla as DG said). Playing with a small edge is fine if you wanna waste time. Id rather play 7 more hours on a day where the villains think i am god to make up for the drudgery days where i may have a small edge and leave early. I spend a lot less time just sitting there at the table watching grass grow too.

It just happens to be a topic i think really important. Just my own thing i guess so to speak. I detest the burn of time in live games where the edge may be cut in half. Who wants to play for $25 to $35 an hour? (Or whatever half your earn would be) Id rather be doing something productive and play much longer when the edge is big and obv makes playing far more interesting. Look at most guys faces when playing daily in say a 5-10 game. They dont look like they are enjoying their job most of the time.

[QUOTE=DGAF;28147850]Results:

[SPOIL]I tanked for a really long time (I hardly ever do this) and finally folded. Some fairly smug (but usually not out of line) kid who apparently was successful at some form of online poker before BF and has been sitting deep pretty regularly in that game, said, "It was obvious you were folding." I (buried alive in the session and on an island because no1 can see what is really going on other than I'm losing every pot) said in a fairly FU way, "Yeah man, you got it. I was just posturing, just trying to waste everyone's time."




I would still be comfortable it was correct. Take that shove 100 times vs a villain who we dont know his river HUGE open shove tendencies. Even though he is on god heater, i think these shoves are nut value far more often than the price needed to call here.

you cant send out the bat signal after posting results otherwise i cant make an internet soul read!

douchy post results read: no one ever insta bets a spiked full house (or especially quads) here. absent of any actual reads and in a coin flip situation i call and go with the classic fast means weak read. i mean, he prepared to make that bet on that river, only idiots or idiot svants are playing a set so strangely (poorly) on the turn only to make that exact pre thought out lead on the river. hoooray for hindsight!

i agree with your post but dont you think this is a classic spot where villain plays the hand so weird/strange/poorly, but somehow these large/weird bets on river really only signify the nuts? ive seen this line taken (and by line i mean super overlarge massive river leads) by villains in the 5-10 and every single time they somehow show up with the nuts.

i think i read a post of yours not too long ago saying something similar to this regarding big bet live poker.

its not the size its the speed...if it truly was "insta"

Wish you called this one because I really want to know what he had.

I think long term its a pretty easy fold, despite what limon said which I generally agree with.

Weird hand, but very interesting. Nice lay down.

lol- the bat signal was sent out to get some confirmation that the live hotshot (overplay everything, sit deep with no deepstack skills/adjustments, play too many hands oop, constantly ship draws with no fe, etc) lifespan is generally ~6 months.

Re: the hand. It wasn't a spaz snap river bet, but it was pretty quick for how big it was/he had def thought it out before the river card fell.... Not sure how his turn play was poor if he had a set or why someone (not an idiot) with a set wouldn't anticipate pairing the board first to act though. Please explain .

Me too. I could use the 5k and would have really liked to see the butterfly effect of me winning that pot and him losing it...

God, no matter what his other card was, what a blunder not bomb-raising the turn with the blocker or the free roll- whichever one he had! (just realized/thought about this )

oops, meant flop play, typo, sorry.