It is about 2 hours in the session. From what I picked up off the villain, he is a fairly solid 50 yr old player. I have just over 500 in front of me.

Dealt 10cJc in MP. Villain is on the button.

I open to 12. Very loose guy to my left calls, button calls, sb and bb call.

$60 pot to the flop of Qc9d4c

Checked to me. I lead $25. Loose guy calls, button raise to $60. Button has $1000 behind.

Im fairly deep still with $467 left in front of me. What to do?

Will update tonight... Want to have some input first.

Was the opener just a pot juicer, cuz it's no surprise that a mere $12 open at a 1/3 table is going to get us 5+ ways to the flop. I woulda rather open limped for cheap if the table will let me.

I also bet 1/2 PSB (I wouldn't bet less for fear of this being taken as a "scared" bet) with our good equity in the pot. This is a pretty wack raise size for someone who is apparently "solid", so it's kinda weird. Even though we have monster equity, we're going to be OOP the rest of the hand plus I don't think we really want to be shovelling 166 BBs into the pot vs any hand that wants to call us. We're getting great odds, I just call, hope the other guy overcalls to pad the pot, try to hit my hand and stack someone when I do.

Any clue on what this wack raise size means? Is it a monster fearing to raise people out of the pot or is it a slow-us-down scared bet with a mediocre hand (like AQ)?

GcluelessNLnoobG

Well, you're going to fold and you're not going to raise ... ?

I think the more interesting thing is when we hit and still get action.

Yes pot juicer. I consider myself (as I'm sure everyone does lol) a smart post flop player and know when to release a hand and not fall in love. May not have been the best juice from mp though.

So your initial thoughts are monster or AQ. What about draws? Fairly draw heavy board

I like this as we hit exactly what we wanted on the flop short of quads or boat..

The reason I don't reraise here is as follows:

We're playing 160+ BBs deep here, which means that hands that are willing to go to war with us on this flop are typically doing quite well against us. Sets (QQ/99/44 are all easily here, although I admit that's an awful small raise to protect against this drawy board) will be 60% faves (albeit with some dead money). Even two pairs are flipping (although, again with dead money). I just don't see TP type hands willing to ship a lotta BBs into the pot, and since we're typically going to beat those hands anyway I don't think it's a hugenormouse coup raising them out of the pot. But we're also OOP, which sets us up for some awkward turn/river decisions if we whiff. If we were in position (where we could have more options on the turn) or if stacks were smaller (thus TP hands which we are ahead of will enter into the calling range), then I'd be cooler with a reraise.

I could be wrong. We do have great equity. And it might be quite a coup to raise out a better draw (as calli says, the real interesting thing is to hit our flush on the turn and face action). So maybe reraising is better?

GtreadingcarefullywhendeepstackedG

why are you betting so small? trying to draw cheap isn't a good answer. what amount are you betting with a strong made hand on this flop? I'm pretty sure its never $25.

Totally agree here. After I replayed hand this was one thing I didn't like with that juicy board if I reping made hand.

I'll throw in my thought process on why I gave calling 0% option. I figured 99 and QQ were def in his 3 bet range on btn. I didn't want to whiff turn and be stuck oop. I figured if I hit on turn and just called, I wouldn't get any more value bc I eliminated 99 and QQ. So calling was not an option to me in that reasoning.

Terribly small bet on the flop, as played id call, and just look to checkraise times you hit, check call times you dont and like a random 2 comes off, and checkraise if ace comes.


You dont have to worry about disguising your hand or anything tricky, you are playing 1-3 at hte boat against a 50 year old, he wont ever be good enough to warrant getting tricky. 3betting the flop on such a draw heavy board after making a small bet screams i have a big draw imo.

Hollywood poker room ftw though! i play there like twice a week, my names Eric, say hello if you are ever back, or PM me or whatever if you want.

I agree with the flop like I said before. I wish I would have made it in the $45 range. I would have still got the call from loose guy and the raise from button would have been large enough for me to jam the flop and get him off a majority of hands. But I still hate just calling the raise bc of being oop. If the turn is a whiff, he should shove any 2 when checked to him.

So. With the above thinking that I'm never calling in this spot and that I was too deep to just shove, I set up my line for the turn. I raised $100 more making it $160. I thought this would get him off all Qs and maybe call a Q9 hand. If he shoved I was committed to calling. I was then shoving the turn regardless with being oop.

He just called the raise (which I didn't really expect). I then put him on AQ when he just called. Turn brick 5d and I shoved for $307. Villain tanked and called after about 3-4 minutes.

River came the save me 6c but his expression didn't change...neither of us had our cards exposed. This scared me at first, but I rolled over my fishy flush and he tabled his 44. I dont think he actually knew I hit the flush until the dealer began to push the pot.

He then went on a rant for 3 hands about how terrible I was and how that was the exact hand he put me on. I just said I was feeling lucky tonight and stacked the chips.

Thoughts on how the hands were played? I mean I thought he had obv shove/fold on flop. That seemed to be his major flaw in the hand. After knowing he had 44, my 2nd raise on the flop looks totally foolish. I think my small flop bet made it hard for me to rep QQQ like I was trying.

It's easier to have draws, and most people won't play top set like that even tho it's a pretty draw heavy board. You played hand perfectly fine imo, he is just a sorry old loser obv, lots of them at hollywood.