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01-25-2011 , 05:35 AM
The table is very passive and a lot of limping going on. I have been playing tight and this is the second hand I have played in 2 hours.

$220 eff. Stacks

Preflop: Hero is dealt AK in MP
Hero pots it to $15 and gets called by UTG, EP, BTN and SB.

5 Players - Pot is $75 - Flop: K75
Everyone checks to me, I bet $60 for fat value, BTN folds, SB folds, UTG calls, EP calls.

3 Players - Pot is about $255 - Turn 4
UTG thinks for a bit and moves all in for about $145, EP slams his chips in disgust, thinks for a while looks really upset that he has to call and looks to me like he didnt want to but makes the call, which I read for TP type hand he doesnt have any more behind so he is also all in, Hero??

UTG doesnt bluff a lot rather overvalues hands like K9 maybe or A7 but with those hands I see him check-calling turn also, maybe he does have a set and just wants to get the money in. He is loose and passive and plays almost ATC preflop so my range is ahead with AK I dont know how that relates to post flop action prob. doesnt mean much if he is a passive player and shows agg. postflop, so that leaves 86 which makes sense.

Pot now is 545 and I have to call 145. EP in my mind TP or pair+flush draw.
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01-25-2011 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ThinValueFold
The table is very passive and a lot of limping going on. I have been playing tight and this is the second hand I have played in 2 hours.

$220 eff. Stacks

Preflop: Hero is dealt AK in MP
Hero pots it to $15 and gets called by UTG, EP, BTN and SB.

5 Players - Pot is $75 - Flop: K75
Everyone checks to me, I bet $60 for fat value, BTN folds, SB folds, UTG calls, EP calls.

3 Players - Pot is about $255 - Turn 4
UTG thinks for a bit and moves all in for about $145, EP slams his chips in disgust, thinks for a while looks really upset that he has to call and looks to me like he didnt want to but makes the call, which I read for TP type hand he doesnt have any more behind so he is also all in, Hero??

UTG doesnt bluff a lot rather overvalues hands like K9 maybe or A7 but with those hands I see him check-calling turn also, maybe he does have a set and just wants to get the money in. He is loose and passive and plays almost ATC preflop so my range is ahead with AK I dont know how that relates to post flop action prob. doesnt mean much if he is a passive player and shows agg. postflop, so that leaves 86 which makes sense.

Pot now is 545 and I have to call 145. EP in my mind TP or pair+flush draw.
I think whenever you see a passive player wake up like that I'd give him some credit. Since his range IS very wide the low cards likely connect with him right? He's going to be staying around with a lot of connectors and gappers. He doesn't necessarily have to have 6/8. If he's playing that many hands Ax(s), Kx(s), gappers, connectors, and pairs are all in his range. Despite the good pot odds I still think you're behind here. This is a spot where I'm actually having some trouble myself, BUT you're closing the action so it's a bit different too.
If he's not already ahead with 2p,set, made straight, then I'd agree maybe some kind of combo draw 67s, 78s type thing. Since his range IS so wide it's rather difficult to know what he's going to show up with. However I'd still stand by the fact that he's normally passive and showed aggression postflop.
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01-25-2011 , 06:15 AM
EP is probably coffee housing and has you beat but i'd snap anyway.
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01-25-2011 , 06:31 AM
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I think whenever you see a passive player wake up like that I'd give him some credit.
I sometime see him do this with worse hands. A few nights ago he did the same thing with QT on a Queen high board which stood out in my my mind as odd at the time.
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01-25-2011 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FallsviewPokerPro
EP is probably coffee housing and has you beat but i'd snap anyway.
I am not worried about EP hes not acting in any way he has a marginal hand that I beat a lot of the time, the dead money in the pot is from him.
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01-25-2011 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ThinValueFold
I sometime see him do this with worse hands. A few nights ago he did the same thing with QT on a Queen high board which stood out in my my mind as odd at the time.
Actually after looking at it again he really only bets a little more then half pot.
With 2 kings being accounted for his chances of having something else are still higher then Kx, but it's possible.

It's still 3 ways though and that's where I have some trouble myself. You also have to consider what EP may have. It's very unlikely that you all paired your king. You're getting 3.75:1 so I wouldn't really hate calling here. You're pretty much in a way ahead/way behind spot. So both calling, or folding could be right. Sorry I don't have much more to offer! =/
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01-25-2011 , 08:01 AM
Maybe I am getting bluffed out of these pots like other 2p2ers have said in my other threads.
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01-25-2011 , 01:04 PM
Preflop looks obvious.

With so many players and a drawy board, I probably pot the flop (which might also make turn decision a bit easier cuz we'll have even less money left in a huge pot). Course I think we're well on our way to being committed by the turn unless perhaps a shows up.

Our hand has to be best here 1/4 times. I'm guessing it's close to that, so I probably call. Sucky, high variance spot, IMO.

BTW, at a very passive table with lottsa limping going on with 100+ BB stacks, this probably shouldn't be only the second hand you've played in 2 hours unless you're really card dead (which is possible). I'd start loosening up in LP and getting into pots with speculative hands (but if you ain't getting any, then there's nothing you can do and you will have dry spells like this).

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01-25-2011 , 06:09 PM
easiest call ever
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01-25-2011 , 07:04 PM
If villains have exactly a straight and a set, and hold none of you heart outs, you're 19%. You have to put in $145 to win a pot of $690 after you bet goes in. That's 21%.

Easy call right there on pot odds, and when you widen the villain that donk shoved range to include 2-pairs and Kx hands, and widen the other guys range the same, you're in great shape with an extra 5 outs to 2-pair/trips.

So, easy call.
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01-25-2011 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by smoking3ltons!
If villains have exactly a straight and a set, and hold none of you heart outs, you're 19%. You have to put in $145 to win a pot of $690 after you bet goes in. That's 21%.

Easy call right there on pot odds, and when you widen the villain that donk shoved range to include 2-pairs and Kx hands, and widen the other guys range the same, you're in great shape with an extra 5 outs to 2-pair/trips.

So, easy call.
uh, what heart outs? are we playing a new game where we see sixth street?
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01-25-2011 , 08:12 PM
We prob lose here, but really, it's a trivially easy call. What kind or range can we conduct, knowing that V1 is capable of doing this with KT, that won't give us 21% equity? I gave V1 all poss sets, 2pair, and straights, as well at KT+; then gave V2 sets and FDs, and we still had 27% when stoved.
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01-26-2011 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
uh, what heart outs? are we playing a new game where we see sixth street?
Lol, I've been prawned!

I made my previous post with hero's hand showing as AKh; the club didn't show. So I assumed hero had AhKh.

Interesting replies to this hand IMO, I feel like this is a fold. However to sh*tcan myself, a) I don't have much live experience yet, and b) I've been advised to just not make big laydowns, and c) I've noticed I can be a bit nitty live in these decisions.

OP reckons the guy that donk shoved could be over valuing TP, and the other guy could possibly be on a heap of draws.

Hmm gross spot. One thing I did get right on my initial post was pot odds (yay!), so I guess this is a gross spot that we've gotta call because of pot odds.
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