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07-09-2022 , 06:07 PM

Scroogemcducky

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Live 1/1
UTG straddles
HJ opens 7bb (400+)
Hero in co calls A7cc (300bb)
BTN calls (400bb)
Straddle calls

BTN is young student

Flop A79ssc (30bb)

Hero bets 20bb
Button Calls

Turn A79ssc Jh (70bb)
Hero checks
Button bets 35bb
Hero calls

River A79Jssch Ad (140bb)
Hero checks
BTN bets 75bb
Hero calls

Is this a spot I should be going for a raise am I been too nitty calling

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07-09-2022 , 07:28 PM

LarryGrill

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If he will call a river raise with AK or if you think he can have 99/JJ it’s a raise. If those things are not true then a raise accomplishes nothing. I’m raising unless I know he can fold AK here.

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07-10-2022 , 12:15 AM

matzah_ball

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Snap fold pre

Jam river

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07-10-2022 , 12:30 AM

spaceman Bryce

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Bet the turn.

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07-10-2022 , 03:49 AM

WereBeer

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I'm raising river, also I hate checking turn because its a clear value bet.

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07-10-2022 , 06:31 AM

Grease

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

I'm raising river, also I hate checking turn because its a clear value bet.

Agree. We’ve massively underrepped our hand at this point.

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07-10-2022 , 06:54 AM

Scroogemcducky

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

Snap fold pre

Jam river

It’s a 3.5x raise and we’re quite deep why is this a snap fold ?

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07-10-2022 , 06:55 AM

Scroogemcducky

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

I'm raising river, also I hate checking turn because its a clear value bet.

Yeah I think I missed bet. What do we do if we bet turn and get raised here

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07-10-2022 , 06:55 AM

Scroogemcducky

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

I'm raising river, also I hate checking turn because its a clear value bet.

Yeah a few mentioned betting turn. What do we do if raised after betting turn

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07-10-2022 , 10:26 AM

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spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky

Yeah a few mentioned betting turn. What do we do if raised after betting turn

don't fear monsters under the bed. your preflop call is fine in a 1/1 game but questionable and this whole line makes me suspect you call too much. So you call here with A7 and hit A7 , that's the dream. it's very hard for most low live stakes players to bluff a guy who bets flop big then bets turn big. You aren't getting reraised enough percentage of the time to worry about that. if they do reraise on turn, that's when you think and pay attention to how they raised.

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07-10-2022 , 11:04 AM

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Scroogemcducky

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

Maybe I am calling too much pre flop. Since this was straddles it’s only 3.5x so didn’t think that’s a big raise to call. I tend to like to play Ax suited as in low stakes games people play suited cards a lot.

Yeah I agree don’t think people bluff vs big bets much I should have just bet turn too thanks

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07-10-2022 , 05:40 PM

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WereBeer

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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky

Yeah I think I missed bet. What do we do if we bet turn and get raised here

I fold quite often because turn raises tend to be nutted. Bet-fold is a valid action in many situations, like I go for 3 streets with AK here so I'm definitely doing the same with two pair.

I also call pre unless BTN and blinds are highly active. Nut flush potential when deepstacked is a good thing.

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07-10-2022 , 07:27 PM

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spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by Scroogemcducky

Maybe I am calling too much pre flop. Since this was straddles itÂ’s only 3.5x so didnÂ’t think thatÂ’s a big raise to call. I tend to like to play Ax suited as in low stakes games people play suited cards a lot.

Yeah I agree donÂ’t think people bluff vs big bets much I should have just bet turn too thanks

To be sure, I think the preflop call is fine.I would likely have called as well. And calling grows better and better the worse(and passive) the game is. I just suspect based on your overall line and the two threads I have read from you( obviously I can't know this from two hand histories which is why I'm using the word suspect) that you probably choose to call a bit too much rather than raise or fold.
In the harder of the two games I regularly play in I would raise preflop, incorporating Asuited hands into my 3 betting range and occasionally folding it preflop. In the softer of the two games I play in I would just call here too.

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07-11-2022 , 02:33 PM

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Scroogemcducky

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

Yeah if I play at a tough table I tend to play more 3b or fold. But at weaker tables I like to try see more flops as I think people make more mistakes

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07-11-2022 , 03:09 PM

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TheBirdman

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

Snap fold pre

Jam river

We should certainly not fold Ax suited IP to a standard raise size while 300bb deep.

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