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Line check with turned tptk against solid tight player Line check with turned tptk against solid tight player

05-26-2011 , 10:41 PM
I was in the cutoff with AJo at a local 1-2 game

V1 limp 200
Hero 360 I had been pretty solid and tight rarely raising
V2 button 300 plus or minus 35. Mid 30's Asian Guy. He had been playing pretty solid and tight, hadn't gotten out of line, hadn't called many raises and had played mostly limped pots.

Hero raises to 11 and 2 callers.

flop $30
7 4 2 rainbow, because the table had been pretty fit or fold I cbet 15 into that, V2 calls V1 folds

turn $58
rainbow J
I bet $25 V2 calls. I though he could be on a straight draw maybe with suited connectors or had 88,99,1010, or maybe a set or 2 pair.

River $106
10

I check thinking I might be beat or he might have a missed draw but there aren't a ton of hands that I can get value from. He bet $50, I thought about it for a while and folded, I might be too weak tight, but I just thought live that's a big bet and I didn't know if this guy had a lot of bluffs in him, and he wasn't betting for value with a worse hand. Thoughts?
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05-26-2011 , 11:00 PM
call river he just gave you extra value there
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05-26-2011 , 11:10 PM
he sees you as over cards that didn't hit and likely has a small pair.

how sure are we of our read? if he's tight he's got overs or is set mining, but you put a lot of trash in his limp/call range.

if you are c/fing alot at this table use blocker bets to avoid being run off hands.

I call here and expect to be good a lot of the time, though jt always gives me some pause.
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05-26-2011 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mingzi
he sees you as over cards that didn't hit and likely has a small pair.

how sure are we of our read? if he's tight he's got overs or is set mining, but you put a lot of trash in his limp/call range.

if you are c/fing alot at this table use blocker bets to avoid being run off hands.

I call here and expect to be good a lot of the time, though jt always gives me some pause.
I have been playing with him for a couple hours and haven't seen him show down much if at all. I haven't been run off a hand yet at the river, maybe once in 2 hours have I raised then cbet, I've mostly been limping and calling small raises and haven't had AK AQ or any big pairs here yet.
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05-26-2011 , 11:22 PM
the only reason to check is to allow him to bluff. if hes been tight i wouldnt expect this, so id just bet the amount you are willing to call and fold if raised. theres not much hes paying off this river with, but i think theres even less value hands that hes betting so im def b/f the river for 40ish$
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05-26-2011 , 11:52 PM
if we are sure of teh tightness, then we eliminate most draws from his flop continue range and we have maybe 56 sets 33,55,66,88,99,tt ak aq (ajs? kjs? jts? 89s?)...I think overs give up on the turn, draws and weaker js arent really in the range and i think this is a really odd line for sets, they should have bet less for value on the river as you show lack of confidence in your holdings. easy call, and if he plays tens like this now we know, if he shows up with a wierd hand we can adjust our range.

I think the machine is dead on, we only check to induce and should have lead the river.

also, anyone else like leading for 3/4 or 2/3 pot on the turn?

Last edited by mingzi; 05-26-2011 at 11:54 PM. Reason: lost last line in c/p
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05-26-2011 , 11:59 PM
It's a bet/fold river situation or a check/call.

There isn't enough information to do anything else.
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05-27-2011 , 12:00 AM
Yea 35-40 bet fold seems like a better line.
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05-27-2011 , 12:19 AM
min raise.
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05-27-2011 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
It's a bet/fold river situation or a check/call.

There isn't enough information to do anything else.
This....Can probably bet a little more on Turn also.

I guess you can stick with your tendency to bet half pot on river also.
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05-27-2011 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
It's a bet/fold river situation or a check/call.

There isn't enough information to do anything else.
This.

Sets don't really make sense unless it is 10s. Only other hand that beats you that makes any sense is J10.

When you check the river, he thinks his pair is good and/or that you are FOS and can be bluffed out.
I expect to see KJs QJs, 88, 99, and maybe even A7 here.
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05-27-2011 , 08:25 PM
Check call his range is 99 88 or 65 and if played weirdly a set. But I think you are good here. I wouldnt be surprised if this was 65s

He isnt calling a bet with a worse hand but he might bluff with one.
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05-27-2011 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by winky51
Check call his range is 99 88 or 65 and if played weirdly a set. But I think you are good here. I wouldnt be surprised if this was 65s

He isnt calling a bet with a worse hand but he might bluff with one.
Exactly, the other way to go is to check to induce bluff.

To summarize, I believe the two best ways to play this hand on the river, and the choice is dependent on hero's read:

1. Bet and fold to a raise - my top choice against a passive villain, who will call with weaker hand and never raise unless he/she has near-nuts.

2. Check and call the bet - my other choice against a LAG, who reads checking as weakness and fires bluff bet. I wouldn't recommend using this line against a passive nit, because you're likely beaten if villain bets.
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