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05-10-2015 , 05:01 AM
Hi everyone.. just thinking if I played this hand alright?

Game is $1/3 and stacks are $300

Hero raises $15 UTG with AKo, UTG+1 oldie calls

Flop ($34): Q96r
Hero bets $17, Oldie calls

Turn ($68): A (brings diamond FD)
Hero bets $40, Oldie calls

River ($148): 8c
Hero bets $55
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05-10-2015 , 06:01 AM
If by "oldie" you mean the tight guy who never bluffs and play nuts , then NO . There is nothing he can call you with on the river that you beat and a lot of the time when he calls on the turn , you already beat . C/F the river.
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05-10-2015 , 07:54 AM
I think you played it fine I'm probably betting a little bit more like 65-70 on the river
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05-10-2015 , 09:25 AM
Every bet, on every street is too small. With 100BB stacks and AK, Plan A should be:

Get to flop with SPR <5, Flop top pair, tip the dealer. It doesn't always work out perfectly like that, but it should be good enough for an initial plan.

So $20 would have been a better pre-flop raise.

You didn't give us much of a read on the villain, but if he's an older ABC player then I wouldn't expect him to continue past the flop with out JT, a queen, or a good nine. Maybe KJ or KT. You beat some of those, and some of those beat you but would realistically find a fold by the river. So a 1/2 PSB is inadequate, both for value and as a semi-bluff. With our hand, and $34 in the pot on the flop, we need to bet $25+, not $17

The turns a great card for us. Now we beat pretty much everything he continues on the flop with, except sets and AQ. He'll raise with one of those hands at some point, and call down with everything else that we can beat. So bet/fold the turn and river. I'd go pretty close to pot size on every street.
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05-10-2015 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SpexDome
He'll raise with one of those hands at some point, and call down with everything else that we can beat. So bet/fold the turn and river. I'd go pretty close to pot size on every street.
Would you be so kind to specify the hands that our villain would call pot size bet on the river ?
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05-10-2015 , 12:24 PM
Looks standard, but I'd bet a little more OTR. Maybe 70-80ish.
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05-10-2015 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Xgen7
Would you be so kind to specify the hands that our villain would call pot size bet on the river ?
Thought it was pretty clear that my suggestions weren't "as played" street by street. I was assuming we played the hand good up until the river.

So, if we had put in 30 on the flop, 85 on the turn, there would be 260 in the pot and we'd have about 170 left, so I'd feel pretty good jamming it in with TPTK when only JT and 57 got there.

Villain would be getting 2.5 to 1 -ish so I'd expect to see some calls from Qx. Check/folding is way too nitty at this point. If you want to play passive, then we should have just check/called both the turn and river. But since we bet the turn....here we are. Now the pot is too big and check/folding allows the villain to plunder our equity by bluffing just a tiny percent of the time.

Check/calling seems fine, but if we're barrelling twice, I would expect him to check back all of the value hands that we beat.
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05-10-2015 , 12:31 PM
Yeah that looks good. Tryin to get called by kq qj. Good job. If you win every time you value bet you value bet too little.
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05-11-2015 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SpexDome
Every bet, on every street is too small. With 100BB stacks and AK, Plan A should be:

Get to flop with SPR <5, Flop top pair, tip the dealer. It doesn't always work out perfectly like that, but it should be good enough for an initial plan.

So $20 would have been a better pre-flop raise.

You didn't give us much of a read on the villain, but if he's an older ABC player then I wouldn't expect him to continue past the flop with out JT, a queen, or a good nine. Maybe KJ or KT. You beat some of those, and some of those beat you but would realistically find a fold by the river. So a 1/2 PSB is inadequate, both for value and as a semi-bluff. With our hand, and $34 in the pot on the flop, we need to bet $25+, not $17

The turns a great card for us. Now we beat pretty much everything he continues on the flop with, except sets and AQ. He'll raise with one of those hands at some point, and call down with everything else that we can beat. So bet/fold the turn and river. I'd go pretty close to pot size on every street.
I'm always on board with trying to setup HU SPRs < 5 with TP type hands, but with $300 stacks this is typically going to be difficult (unless the table is fond of calling $30 opens, which admittedly some tables are ok with).

I really disagree with raising to $20 and then planning the hand to stack off postflop with TP against what we're assuming is a tightish old guy. A raise to $20 setups a HU SPR of 7, there is no way we should be stacking postflop to this guy with that SPR, imo.

I think the 1/2 PSB on the flop is perfectly fine. We offer 3:1 for him to hit his OESD/etc., and we probably won't pay him off if he hits, so he's not getting the correct implied odds. If he has an underpair and was setmining, he'll *probably* fold to any reasonable bet (which a 1/2 PSB is). He's never folding a Q to any reasonable bet, and probably ditto-ish for 9x.

When we hit on the turn, what hands are calling down pot sized bets? KQ? Turn is a weird spot. When an old nittish guy calls the flop, alarm bells really should be going off. There's only a couple of OESDs, and other than that, if he calls a turn bet, he's typically crushing us. The turn does bring the flush draw, so if he's scared of the backdoor draw he'll typically tell us where we're at; but if he's not scared of it, we could simply be betting into his nuts on the next two streets. I would again bet small on this street (1/2 PSB) simply to charge the OESD (which he'll probably fold at this point), and fold to a raise.

River is a bad card as it completes the most obvious OESD. Other than the busted 87, there really shouldn't be any other hands we're ahead of at this point, and it's unlikely a bet is going to get paid off by a worse hand. I'd probably check/fold against a straight forward player here, unless he can loosely float the flop with an AJ sorta hand or is a calling station with Qx (where a small bet/fold is ok too).

ETA: To be honest, we need more information on Villain than "oldie", because I think we're all reading into that what we think that may or may not mean.

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05-11-2015 , 12:49 PM
We need a read here.
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05-11-2015 , 12:53 PM
I would play it exactly how I want my opponents to respond.

Bet bigger flop. It is a dry flop that has very few hands for V to continue.

Bet smaller turn. Now you want V to call with his entire range, not fold.

Bet about the same for river.

Without better reads, I would play similar to above.
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05-11-2015 , 08:15 PM
I think it's okay. River bet is small but you're trying to get calls from hands that aren't that strong.

You never mentioned any reads. Do you know anything about villain? I think it's wrong to assume he is super tight. Old guys are often loose and will make bad calls. I could see him calling with AJ or AT on the flop. I've seen old guys call with much worse. However, if villain is a tight player then I think we should play this more cautiously on the turn and river. It makes a big difference if he can have QJ, QT, AJ and maybe weaker hands on the river.

If villain is unknown then I lean towards trying to get value like you did.
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