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Line Check KTs on the BTN and river question Line Check KTs on the BTN and river question

09-26-2013 , 04:29 PM
Hero: 20's something, ~$500 in front, I haven't done too much out of line today, and nothing out of line that's been shown. I should have a tag image if anyone is even really paying attention.

V1: Raises from any position with cards that he thinks are decent. Mostly A9s+ AJo+, KTs+, KJo+ QJ, JT, 66+, but he doesn't really change that positionally.
Has about $200. Fairly weak post flop, sometimes cBets when he has a piece of the board, but he's about 40/60 tending towards not cBetting. If he doesn't cBet he almost never calls any bet, so he's easy to steal pots from.

V2: ~225 Fairly tight overall, but can get a bit crazy with TPTK. Likes to see flops for cheap (that's $12 or less for him). Just sat down at the table, so he's fairly clueless about how I've been playing today.

Pre flop:
2 folds
V1 raises to $11
2 folds
Hero calls with KT
V2 calls in the SB

Flop ($29) A98
V2 checks
V1 bets $7
Hero raises to $25
V2 3! to $50
V1 folds
Hero calls

V2's range here is exactly TPTK, 2p, and sets. Never worse. TPTK is discounted, but possible. (He has made the same move before, but it was a few months ago.)

Turn ($134) A983
V2 bets $42
Hero calls

River ($218) A9838
Villain checks (with ~$120 behind)

Given the range that we've assigned him, and the fact that I hold a K in my hand, what's our best move?
Always a shove?

Everything look ok up till then? Anyone like shoving over the weak turn bet?
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09-26-2013 , 05:01 PM
Always a shove. The rest of the line looks good to me. V seems a little trappy so I don't think you always win.
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09-26-2013 , 07:18 PM
Always a shove I agree. With only $120 behind this is still only a 1/2 PSB. I don't see you getting more value by betting $50 or something weird.
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09-26-2013 , 07:58 PM
I don't think you have a lot of fold equity on the Turn, a call with the price given is probably what I might have done.
Would he jam the turn with a set of 9s, Could he have filled up on the river?
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09-26-2013 , 08:31 PM
Shove for sure, although you do lose sometimes.

I like your line but definitely 3bet pre occasionally.
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09-26-2013 , 08:55 PM
shove is standard here.
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09-27-2013 , 04:11 AM
If you can't shove for value calling on the turn is pretty bad.
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09-27-2013 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
If you can't shove for value calling on the turn is pretty bad.
I'm not sure about that logic. We are getting 176:42, or 4.2:1 DO with some IO also. Thats more than enough to be calling the turn looking for a spade that doesn't pair the board.

I'm not advocating cHecking, but the hand is certainly different if its a 6 as opposed to 8 just food for thought.
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09-27-2013 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by shadowdodger
I'm not sure about that logic. We are getting 176:42, or 4.2:1 DO with some IO also. Thats more than enough to be calling the turn looking for a spade that doesn't pair the board.

I'm not advocating cHecking, but the hand is certainly different if its a 6 as opposed to 8 just food for thought.
The op stated his range after raising the the flop was TPTK+, and that TPTK had to be discounted. Putting a range of AKs, 99, 88, AA, A9-A8, 98 into pokerstove against our hand has us as a 4.6-1 dog on the turn. After the river we are a 3-2 dog and have to call it off if he jams his entire range anyways. The flop range the op gives us cuts our clean outs to 8, and sets up a big rio spot when we get the river we did.
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09-27-2013 , 11:37 AM
Calling OTB is fine.

You get perfect odds to call the flop and you raise? Call/F

Thank god you didn't raise the turn when the Villain donks and gives you perfect odds once again.

Shove.
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