Just sat down at this table. $1/2. Hero has $300.

Villain 1 is a reg who I play with a lot. He's a spewtard who opens a lot with trash and takes weird lines, and with whom I'm happy to get into big pots.

Villain 2 is a middle-aged unknown white male with sunglasses on. He's got a big stack and is loud and friendly.

V1: UTG ($200)
V2: UTG+2 (600)
Hero: SB ($300)

V1 opens to $7
V2 and two others call.
I call in the SB with 77.
BB folds.

5 people to the flop ($37)

KJ7

I check.
V1 bets $27.
V2 raises to $60.
Limpers fold.
I call $60.
V1 folds.

Turn: ($184)

4

I lead for $125.

How'd I do?

Pre is fine.

Bet flop please for about a pot sized bet. Don't check.

Flop call is ok. V1's fold tells you they had a king.

Turn..hmm you have about 230 behind. If you make a $100-125 bet, you are probably calling an all-in just because of your full house odds (you'll have 100-130 to call into about 500). As a result, I think you should just shove or check.

Can you explain your logic behind your lead on the turn and what you are trying to accomplish here????

I check the flop because I want to see what everyone is going to do. I'd hate to lead and then get raised, called, called or something, you know?

Yes, I'm committing myself with the turn bet. If he shoves, I'm calling. If he calls, I'm shoving river on any two, although I guess a diamond really sucks.

I don't shove the turn because I have no idea if this player is any good and I want to give him the illusion of fold equity if he shoves. Or maybe he'll call with the A hoping to hit. either way, I'm happy to get it in.

If I just shove, I'm usually only getting called by made flushes, right?

HU, I want to confuse him and get him to make a mistake. We know he's not folding a flush. But unless he has a small flush, why raise the flop bet with three other people to act after him? He doesn't have the nuts, obviously. I can see this as Top Two or a pair with the A

My lead prevents him from checking behind for a free card. And it also gives me odds to call an all-in if he does already have the flush.

I think my play looks very strong to non-nut hands.

Who knows? Maybe I can even get him to fold a small flush?

How is how the flop played out any better though? You called off a reraise without even betting the flop. How is that different than you betting and then calling when V2 reraises you?

The average 1/2 villain isn't thinking about fold equity for you. If he shoves turn, he thinks he has a good hand, and he would have called your shove anyway.

I think 99% of villains here call the shove just as much as they call $125. I'd rather make them pay $230 with their ace of diamonds than just $125.

you could be right...I just wanted to try a different line....it did confuse the hell out of him, that's for sure. I just hate shoving that turn with over 100BBs. Seems like spew.

I also call preflop; I think being multiway and good implied odds helps make up for the being OOP.

I just donk pot on the flop. The spewtard may or may not bet here, and having this flop check thru would suck.

As played, I think I 3bet the minraise big, looking to get it in if need be (although not thrilled about it 150 BBs deep). If he's flopped a flush, we've still got outs. The only other hand that may be ahead is the cooler JJ. Let's start getting chips in with our monster hand.

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If you bet 125, you're betting your whole stack anyway since you already plan to call any bet.

I also might get a call from a worse hand

Confusing people by randomly clicking buttons is not how you profit. Lead flop, or at least check-raise. While your line is certainly ******ed to confuse players, how do you intend to exploit this in future hands?

V2 has a flush.. or KJ/JJ/KK.

I wasn't randomly clicking buttons. I took a line that I thought would both protect my hand, assuming I was ahead, and charge against those hands that would continue. Like a big diamond.

I certainly understand why you want to lead here. But say I lead for $30 and get raised and flatted by other players? Then what? Come over the top? Kind of tough playing bottom set on this board against heavy action.

On the flop, I checked with the intention of CRing...however, the action made me pause. I thought if I then CR'd 3-bet, I'm folding out only hands that I beat. So I called with the intention of leading a non-diamond turn.

So that's what I did. While my line may be different, it wasn't random.

Now, if you tell me thought process is faulty...I'll certainly listen.

How did you protect your hand by just calling? On this board we arent really trying to protect our hand. If he has a diamond we want him to call, so think of it as taxing his draws. You raise and hope that he'll stack off with a draw.

I dont think so. It's not like everyone else is going to be flatting their sets, and if they all have draws then great, they're drawing even thinner holding each others cards and you're getting insane value getting 3 people to chase against you.

There's a lot of hands you beat that will happily call here, dont sweat it. But if you are afraid nothing worse calls on the flop, then what exactly is going to call on the turn? Leading the turn has the same effect as raising the flop, except you dont just give your opponent a card at his price.

i lead flop for pottish ($35)

Those of you suggesting we lead the flop - are we also happy to re-pop it if we get raised? Do we want to get it in vs. maybe more than one player who wants to play for stacks, on this board...for 150 BBs?

If we get raised, we call

and then what? My way and your way get us to the same point....calling a raise OOP on the flop...

What do we do on a scare card on the turn? What do we do on a non-scare card? Don't we think checking a non-scare turn card and then having it check through is a small disaster? I hate giving free cards to draws.

depends on how i range that player

Dom,

Perfect line on all streets. Puts them in a very tough position on the turn.

specifically it depends on whether i think that player is capable of making that raise with FDs

finally got the answer I wanted. Lock this puppy up.

getting raised on this flop is obv not an easy situation and requires good hand reading to make the right decision. but the times when that happens are outweighed by the benefits of leading flop, specifically that we ensure it doesn't check through, we get to set the bet size, and we aren't forced to c/r, which gets value from a much narrower range than a lead (since i think c/c flop is bad).

not to mention, leading in spots like this is particularly appealing at 1/2 and 2/5 where the incidence of someone semi-bluff raising us with a FD is lower than in less soft/more aggressive games. so if we do get raised, our hand reading task is often simplified because so few 1/2 players are semi-bluffing here.