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Originally Posted by Javanewt
In the post above, you mention only one opponent, so definitely not clear.
And letting someone bet with a worse hand instead of getting them to fold by raising seems like a pretty good plan, especially when there are two opponents and you have no idea how they play
I mentioned one opponent in response to the suggestion one guy could have KK. Did I misunderstand the suggestion? Was it actually that they BOTH might have KK?
Not serious with that question, obviously (hopefully it's obvious).
In previous posts, I gave my reasoning for raising, to include the observation that we have another opponent in MP who is flat calling the whole way. I don't agree that either opponent's line is consistent with having us beat. In my opinion the likelihood we're beat decreases on each subsequent street, when it becomes more and more apparent we're up against weak value and / or a draw.
I disagree with you and others who view this scenario as a binary one wherein we either flat call and win, or raise and they fold. If we flat call, they may improve to a better hand and we lose. If we raise, they might call, and we win more.
Raising builds the pot we might win, and denies equity. It forces our opponents to figure out a response, and increases the likelihood they'll make a mistake. Raising strengthens our range. Raising may also lose us less than calling the whole way, if we size our raise right, and plan to raise-fold to a re-raise. I think raising when we have a skill edge and are IP is +EV.
When we have no idea how someone plays, we should rely on experience, population reads, and logic. If we raise and one of our opponents has us beat, I'd think we'd figure that out pretty quickly. Nothing about the way our opponents played this hand comports to how the general population would play hands that beat ours.
I don't understand why we'd abandon our population reads and take such a defensive posture simply because our V's are unknown to us. The point of having population reads is for exactly that scenario.
Just my $0.02.
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