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01-13-2017 , 04:03 AM
Hey guys. This hand's been bothering me since I ended my session last night and I'm looking for some input on how I should have played the hand. Hero has shown down in one questionable spot, but overall should be viewed as fairly snug by anyone paying attention. Only been at the table for about an hour and really haven't been too involved. I got stacked about 90min ago with QQ vs KK AIPF, but this is a must-move game and the hand happened at another table before I was moved. So nobody at this table saw it happen.

2/5NL, 9 handed.

Hero: (SB): $650.
V1: (UTG): $390
V2: (BTN): Covers, over $2K

I don't have a ton of specific reads on most of the table, but have been there long enough to have a good idea of who's playing loose/tight etc. V1 is a 45-50yo WG who has been playing pretty snug and only been betting value hands from what I've seen.

V2 to my direct right OTB is a ~25yo WG and probably the strongest player at the table. He's been 3! more than most at the table, and has been 3! his button super wide, probably 2/3rds of his buttons. Last orbit he 3! K6hh OTB, cbet a 345 rainbow flop, fired a 2nd bullet on an 8 turn and when his V shoved he had to call because of how little more it was. Spiked a 2 OTR and stacked a set of 4s.

Hand:
UTG+1: Opens to $15 (small open for this table, standard open is $25-$30)
Two other irrelevant Vs that have been pretty splashy call.
V2 OTB: Calls
Hero: Looks down to AJss and decides to just call. Didn't want to bloat the pot and possibly play a 3! pot OOP against a V2 OTB.
V1 UTG: Calls.

6 to the flop. Pot ~$90

Flop is 10s4s3s

So I flop the nuts in a 6-way pot on a table that's been generally splashy, but the players aren't totally clueless. I thought leading into 5 other players as first-to-act would look very strong, so I decided to check. The way this table was playing I really thought someone would stab at this pot and as long as it wasn't a pot-sized-bet then chances are anyone who has a piece of the board will call. My plan was to c/c flop and hopefully go multi-way to the turn. If we went 3-4 way to the turn, then I planned to donk turn and river ~1/2 pot and try to string along multiple Vs.

So that was my plan when I checked, the action went a different direction though. The tight V1 in UTG+1 bets $40 and the rest of the table folds back to me. Given how V1 had played thus far, I really don't think he'd bet into 5 players (including the PFR) unless he had serious equity in the pot. I haven't seen enough showdowns from him to really dial in a range on him. So as I'm thinking about this in-game, I come to the conclusion that V1 is pretty strong here and I was also worried that a 4th spade could kill my action. So I decided to put in a small c/r to $100.

I thought V would call this small c/r with almost his entire betting range, and he does make the call. I also chose this size because I thought it could commit him to the pot without him realizing it. After calling my raise, I thought he had about $205 behind with a $290 pot.

Turn: 8d

So a total brick on the turn, and with less that PSB effective I go ahead and shove. What I realize after shoving is that he had a stack of chips over to the side away from the rest of his stack that was $70. So instead of being $205 effective, we're more like $275 effective. Had I known that I would have either c/r larger on the flop, or I would have just lead small OTT to set up a trivial shove OTR. V1 goes into the tank for almost a minute, stacks up all his chips as if he's going to call, and then frustratingly says "nice bet" and folds.

Even though I think I had solid reasons and a solid plan for the hand, I also think that I possibly butchered the hand and won as little as I possibly could have. Suggestions on how I should have played the hand would be greatly appreciated.
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01-13-2017 , 04:15 AM
I think it's played fine pre and flop. I probably lead 55 on flop.

Ap, I think 115 or 120 on turn is good. Then ship river.
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01-13-2017 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by spirit123
I think it's played fine pre and flop. I probably lead 55 on flop.

Ap, I think 115 or 120 on turn is good. Then ship river.
Yeah, that's where thinking he had less behind than he did kind of screwed me up. Had I known we were $275 effective instead of $205 then I would have just lead $100-$125 and shipped the river.
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01-13-2017 , 06:13 AM
Just bet the flop
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01-13-2017 , 10:46 AM
Don't bet flop. Have cleaner hand histories.

check call flop and check turn

Think about what hands you have that take your line
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01-13-2017 , 11:41 AM
Pre seems fine.

I would lead flop. You have 5 other players, and no one is folding Tx or a Ks. If you bet $70 and get one caller, pot is $230 heading to the turn. Bet $150 on the turn, if called you have $530 heading to the river with about $400 behind and can shove.
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01-13-2017 , 01:39 PM
We know this villain doesnt have a draw cause he wouldnt lead like that with the Ks and on the turn hes probly thinking you have the As so hes almost certainly got a made hand that he'll want to protect vs your perceived flush draw. So check turn, he'll bet big enough that hes probably commited, you go all in and you've got him
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