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11-19-2018 , 07:29 PM

HomelessPizza

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V raises and 3bets frequently, but pretty face-up post; definitely a losing player

H winning TAG image; 1k stack

500 eff w/ V who just reloaded
H utg A

20
Folds to V in bb 3! to 70, I call HU
766 (140)
x, 100, V thinks and calls
6 (240)
X, Hero checks back
River 5 (240)
V checks, Hero jams 330

Thoughts all-around appreciated.

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11-19-2018 , 08:56 PM

Minatorr

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Ez fold pre. If you call AJs here you fold 0% of your utg opening raise and that’s not good. BB 3b vs utg generally are super strong and this is a losing call.

Flop i’d just check it back, if he has AK he might not fold and he could be inducing with overpairs

Turn ap I’d keep betting, $100.

River is ok once you arrive here this way

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11-19-2018 , 09:02 PM

HomelessPizza

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

You agree with this despite description of V? We are IP vs a bad player who is aggro pre, bad post. I didn't have any questions about my preflop call.

To say I am folding 0% of my utg range because I called w/ AJs is ridiculous. I have many less playable hands that I would fold like offsuit broadways. To fold AJs here is severely over-folding IMO.

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11-19-2018 , 09:11 PM

ralphykid67

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

Ez fold pre. If you call AJs here you fold 0% of your utg opening raise and that’s not good. BB 3b vs utg generally are super strong and this is a losing call.

AJs is not the bottom of a (good) UTG opening range. That would be something like 89s, 77, and A5s. Depending on game conditions we should be opening all of those hands (and folding to 3bets) possibly wider down to 87s and 66. I would put AJs somewhere around the middle of a reasonable UTG opening range.

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11-19-2018 , 09:29 PM

Minatorr

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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza

Lul why are you getting so defensive? Unless he has 0 positional awareness and only has half a brain, he’s more value heavy 3betting from the BB vs UTG. I dont care if you didnt have questions on pre. Im merely pointing out it’s most likely a losing call. Whatever you do with the advice is up to you

And folding AJs here is not overfolding. If you’re opening offsuit broadways like KQo/KJo/AJo first to act you’re playing poker wrong

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11-19-2018 , 09:31 PM

Minatorr

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Originally Posted by ralphykid67

98s/A5s/66 are losing opens from UTG.

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11-19-2018 , 09:38 PM

ralphykid67

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

98s/A5s/66 are losing opens from UTG.

Disagree but it is largely dependent on game conditions and individual skill level. At 1/2 I'm not opening this wide but at 2/5 where the players are slightly higher caliber I need to have some balance. Again its all game dependent and this is based on experience in the games in my area.

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11-19-2018 , 09:42 PM

the_dude_174

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Dude, I read your posts. You don't have a TAG image.

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11-19-2018 , 09:58 PM

HomelessPizza

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Lol at open folding offsuit broadways utg at a loose passive LA game...And then saying I am playing poker wrong if I do.

AJs is a call all day long against this guy. I agree that we should definitely fold some hands at the bottom of my range...including KQo, AJo, QJs,

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11-19-2018 , 10:20 PM

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johnnyBuz

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Snap fold to the 3bet. Not nearly deep enough to defend.

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11-19-2018 , 10:27 PM

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HomelessPizza

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

Unless he has 0 positional awareness and only has half a brain,

Sounds about right. Read description

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11-19-2018 , 11:12 PM

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Minatorr

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Originally Posted by ralphykid67

It’s not set in stone but when they’re 95% of the time losing opens at a 2/5 table it’s easier to just generalize them as losing hands in general, esp when OPs clearly often have postflop leaks

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11-19-2018 , 11:12 PM

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Minatorr

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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza

Sounds about right. Read description

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Lul

And lul at opening KQo/KJo first to act 9-max. Oh but “i haz such a hugeeee edge in this passive LA game.” Get over yourself.

Stop calling yourself a TAG

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11-19-2018 , 11:44 PM

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HomelessPizza

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

It’s not set in stone but when they’re 95% of the time losing opens at a 2/5 table it’s easier to just generalize them as losing hands in general, esp when OPs clearly often have postflop leaks

I just honestly think you offer way too much generalized advice and treat it as gospel. You make these complete bull**** statements...Like because I call With AJs means I am calling with 100% of my utg OR range. You make baseless assumptions that are clearly wrong.

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11-19-2018 , 11:45 PM

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mikko

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

Why on earth do we need to fold bottom of our range in live poker. If bottom of our range is AJs?

I'm not always defending Ajs. But against an aggro opponent in position I likely would.

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11-19-2018 , 11:50 PM

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mikko

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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza

V raises and 3bets frequently, but pretty face-up post; definitely a losing player

H winning TAG image; 1k stack

500 eff w/ V who just reloaded
H utg A

20
Folds to V in bb 3! to 70, I call HU
766 (140)
x, 100, V thinks and calls
6 (240)
X, Hero checks back
River 5 (240)
V checks, Hero jams 330

Thoughts all-around appreciated.

What value hands are you taking this line with?

Looks like button clicking. What range you put him on when he flats flop and checks turn and river?

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11-20-2018 , 01:18 AM

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Minatorr

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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza

Have you ever heard of hyperboles? When I say 0% i dont literally mean 0... guess your reading comprehension is spot on but your critical thinking skills arent. The probability of you folding 0% of your range is 0, and for me to say it’s 0 is obviously an exaggeration. Obviously you do fold a miniscule amount like 5-10% of your range here.....

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11-20-2018 , 01:28 AM

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HomelessPizza

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

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