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Line check with AJ - I whiff the flop, but pick up equity on the turn.  Keep firing? Line check with AJ - I whiff the flop, but pick up equity on the turn.  Keep firing?

05-28-2012 , 12:34 PM
1/2 9 handed game, most players are playing fairly tight passive with little preflop aggression.

EP (26) - very weak tight. Bought in for 100 and his stacks has been steadily drifting downward as he is playing wery fit or fold, and limping preflop and then folding to small raises. Two regs at the table have been iso raising him to death. Did see him limp/shove pocket 7's a few orbits ago.
Hero (co) $260 - has been pretty card dead, so not playing a ton of pots, but may have a bit of an active image because she has been raising preflop instead of just limping, and has started to 3 bet the regs a bit when she thinks they are iso raising the EP player light.

Btn (200) - passive older woman who likes to see flops and turns. Seems pretty sticky when she has a hand, likes to slow play her monsters, but haven't seen her run any bluffs or get too creative post flop. Have seen her call flop and turn bets and then fold river a few times.

EP limps,
Folds to hero with AhJc
Hero makes it 10 to go, hoping to get heads up against the limper (or at most one other player) or, if there is a caller behind, and the limper shoves, hero intends to reshove to flip agains villain with some dead money in the pot.
BTN calls and the blinds and the limper all fold.

Flop (23) - Qc6c2d
Hero bets 15 and btn calls (I think her calling range is probably Queens, club draws, slowplayed sets of 6s and 2s and pocket pairs higher than 6)

Turn (53) - Tc
Hero bet 30 and villain calls
(What do we think of the turn bet here? Obviously, I pick up a lot of equity against her range... I'm drawing basically dead if she just turned a big flush (or if she has a Q with a bigger club) but against anything else, I probably have straight outs, flush outs, and my A might be live as well. I also think a second barrel might get her off of something like 7's 8's or 9's, especially if she doesn't have a club.

River (113) 2h
Looks like a complet brick to me... Hero?
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05-28-2012 , 12:45 PM
I like the preflop plan.

I also cbet the flop.

I just check/evaluate the turn. First, villain is sticky, so she might not fold a pair yet just cuz the flush came in. Second, she's passive, so when she bets here on this scary board, she's never bluffing (and she'll often check behind mediocre hands). Third, she might make a big bet sizing mistake, and like weakly bet $10 into $50 or something like that and give us great odds to continue with our straight/flush draw.

She's called 3 streets worth of betting, and she shouldn't really be on a missed draw of any type (unless she made a very loose flop call with like KcJx, but even then our A high is still good). Even though she's folded to river bets before, I still give up again on the river (but I would have given up barrelling on the turn).

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05-28-2012 , 12:46 PM
Meh, given live players redic love for suited cards and redic fear of flushes, I think a low flush is a large part of her range. I don't mind betting turn and giving up if called, as the fear of flushes means much of her range folds. I also don't mind checking turn and looking for a free card.

AP, river is a total brick. You can't rep a FH here to get her to lay down a flush, she never will. If you bet, you are targeting the Qx part of her range only. Board is scary enough that Qx will often fold, esp with your read about calling down to fold OTR, but it's too small a part of her range, imo. I c/f river.

I have a personal rule about never trying to get live players off top pair, no matter what the board, without VERY strong reads that it will work a large percentage of the time. Soo many players will felt TPGK, so I play against that range for value, not FE.
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05-28-2012 , 04:32 PM
c/f flop, bad live players will often not bet when they miss. so you get all the info you need FOR FREE by checking. if villain bets, just muck since you have no equity. if villain checks back, just pot the turn and villain will fold almost every single time.

heads up, c-betting is still okay, but once that turn comes, i'd c/f.
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05-28-2012 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by masaraksh
c/f flop, bad live players will often not bet when they miss. so you get all the info you need FOR FREE by checking. if villain bets, just muck since you have no equity. if villain checks back, just pot the turn and villain will fold almost every single time.

heads up, c-betting is still okay, but once that turn comes, i'd c/f.
Hmm, I agree that the flop isn't great for our hand, but you really wouldn't take a stab on the flop (especially knowing that ace high might be the best hand?). What would you say your typical c-bet percentage is? Do you usually only bet if you catch a piece of the flop?

What is your logic for check folding the turn after we pick up equity? Do you think that villain would only bet the hands that already have us in pretty bad shape? Personally, I think that if we checked, villain would bet enough Qs and other marginal hands that we could still have enough equity against her range that we can call a reasonabe bet, but perhaps I'm still underestimating how passive and showdown bound a lot of llsnl players are.
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05-28-2012 , 07:41 PM
Against many villains I like the flop c-bet and also the turn bet. But with your description of the villain (passive, often calls flop/turn bets) I would check at least one, possibly both, of these streets.

AP, I c/f river.
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05-28-2012 , 09:11 PM
I like the c-bet and double barrel. Now I would check and fold the river.
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05-28-2012 , 09:26 PM
You played the hand well despite some replies in here. Now c/f river.
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05-28-2012 , 09:37 PM
I c/f this flop. You've got a passive villain who is going to call down everything. Those are bad people to cbet at. Lurking in the background is a short stack that is going eventually make a stand. With 16 left, it isn't going to take much to make that decision. This flop also missed your range (if they are bad, it is AK).
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05-28-2012 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
I c/f this flop. You've got a passive villain who is going to call down everything. Those are bad people to cbet at. Lurking in the background is a short stack that is going eventually make a stand. With 16 left, it isn't going to take much to make that decision. This flop also missed your range (if they are bad, it is AK).
If villain will call down everything we should bet for value. If what you really mean is she'll call when she hit the flop, most likely she didn't. This is not a flop that hits a lot of hands.

The short stack is irrelevant once he folds.

C bet is good and barreling the turn should be automatic unless you are certain she'll call with her entire flop calling range (most players are not that sticky). If she will not fold middle pair to a turn bet even when the board gets scary, or if her flo calling range only is top pair or better, then you have to c/f the turn. Otherwise this is a great barrel card for us.
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05-28-2012 , 09:52 PM
It really comes down to strategy. If you're aggressive with a bankroll it should be a crime to not cbet and barrel the turn.

Now if your strategy is to play nitty weak ABC tag poker, c/f flop and any other time you miss the flop oop.
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05-28-2012 , 10:02 PM
BTW, if I'm checking this flop it's usually with the intention of calling, depending on villain's tendencies of course.
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