Table Dynamics - 1/3 Encore Boston. Normal table, mostly tight passive. Table has been running for about 2 hours. Hero started with 200 and has run it up to close to 300. Mainly viewed as TAG.

V in the hand is a early 30s white male. Hoodie, headphones the whole deal. Havent had much history with him except one prior hand.

Hero limped with A10o in MP, and bet 10, 20, 35 on a As8h7h9c4d board, and V called all streets and one with AJo.


OTTH
H effective stacks with 300

V opens in MP to 12, all fold to Hero who is in BB with 109cc who elects to call.

Flop (24~)
Ac9s8c

Hero checks, V bets 12, Hero reraises to 45, V ships all in...Hero?


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Re prior hh: I would either be opening ATo or folding it from MP. I'm also not trying to get three streets of value with it on that board.

As far as this hand goes - pre is standard. On the flop I would just x-c, but you can't really go wrong in this spot, so long as you don't fold. AP, call the 3 bet shove.

If often you're ending HU OOP to a non-moronic raiser with a speculative hand preflop, you're leaking money, imo. Trivial fold for me preflop.

I'm also check/raising this flop. We should have both big hand equity and big FE.

Our hand equity changes quite a lot when we get shoved on after check/raising, especially against a guy who looks like he can play quite passively / cautiously. We block his monster draws (except for 76cc). One pear does this never. So we're mostly up against 2pair+. I'm too lazy to stove, but I'm guessing it's fairly close against a tightish shipping range here, especially for this much? I'm guessing we probably have to go with it but I am by no means pumped about it.

GcluelessNLnoobG

$243/$600 = 40.5% equity needed

Avg range
Villain's range: AA, AK, AQ(40%), KcQc, KcJc, A9s, A8s, 99, 88

Hero's equity: 51.5%

Super tight range:

Villain's range: AA, AKs, A9s, A8s, 99, 88

Hero's equity: 38.7%

So all in all I'd say this is a pretty clear call.

Spy, I don't agree with the range.

Based on the AJ hand, this guy ain't ever going nuts with AK/AQ, especially in what is a relatively small pot; my guess is shoving is his 3rd among his options.

I also think most opponents believe they have very little FE against a flop check/raiser, so at this point medium draws like KQcc/KJcc (maybe even QJcc) just call in position and hope to bink. I would add 76cc to his shoving range (although does he raise that preflop).

So I think we're mostly very heavily weighted towards two pair+, which I'm guessing ain't a great spot (although I admit I haven't stoved).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Good point. I change my opinion to that it's a close fold.

Hero elects to make the call... I realized I was not ahead obviously, but I dont think V would take this line with AA, based on the preflop bet size and flop bet size.

V shows AsKc and wins due to Hero not improving.

I discussed this hand with another player who I respect his opinion, and he said my raise/call may have been a 'slight' mistake, but V's reraise all in with just AKo was a bigger mistake. Is this logic sound or was he just trying to be nice?

Well, the V has the Kc and is blocking some of your better FDs with which you might call his preflop raise. So he figures he has FE against your weaker FD combos. He also has As, so he blocks your nutted BDFD combos too.

He also figures you might have 3b/folded your 99/88 preflop from the BB rather than play them oop postflop. So we're repping a thin x/r range here.

I'd rather just flat V's flop bet getting good odds to make my flush. I'm not sure what my x/r range here is, given the preflop action, beyond A9s/A8s/98s and JTs (clubs or spades). I don't feel like we have enough 99/88 from the BB with which we would just flat call preflop. So I feel like we're repping thin (and obviously he was blocking plenty of our A9s/A8s). Oddly enough, had it flopped A 7 6 or even A 8 7, the x/r might have worked from the BB.

With all due respect, I feel like H just overplayed his hand here. I'd try to make my flush against an obviously sticky V (from HH with AJo) getting nearly direct odds and certainly with IO rather than x/r repping thin.

Hero played hand way better than Villain postflop, imo. Getting in $300 stacks postflop with TPTK just cuz the board is drawy (facing a check/raise no less) having offered your opponent awesome preflop IO of 33:1 is ****ing terrible, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Not to be rude, but you're not TAG if you limp A10o in MP. Also most good TAGs buy in for 100 BB, especially live with the ridiculous open sizes.

Also, it's much better to adopt a LAG style than a TAG one at a tight passive table. Reasons are obvious. Although be careful, since the rake will affect your win-rate significantly more than everyone else.

TAG's don't flat with 109cc in the BB facing an MP open. Calling is the worst option imo facing a 4x open OOP.

No idea what to do here OTF once we just call pre.

I would personally 3! pre and then CRAI this flop vs this player type

I disagree three betting 109s here. if it was a weaker holding then yes, a three bet would be in order. 56s, 68s, 79s, A2-A5s, etc... I just think that defending with 109s here is probably a better play

Defending your BB shouldn't really be a thing in live low stakes cash imo considering the large open sizes. I think there's some merit to having a flatting range in these spots but folding 109s is unquestionably better than flatting it OOP.

I would agree defending bb shouldn’t be a thing in llsnl if raise sizes are huge. 4x is really not big for live standards. Facing a 4x raise heads up closing the action, I’m calling with a lot of hands and feeling good about my ability to attack certain boards (even oop) and take away more pots than I should be able to.


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4x is a big raise size. T9s is too strong to fold.

We are calling 9 to win 25. This means we need 36% equity. Does T9s have 36% equity against an MP range? It does.

We are OOP and it's tough to realize our equity. However, T9s is suited and connected, two factors that do allow us to realize equity.

Looking at flopzilla, T9 flops top pair 11% of the time, a flush draw 11%, an OESD 10% of the time, a gutshot 16%, overcards another 16% of the time. There is some overlap between all of those, but all in all we hit enough flops hard enough to continue either with showdown or drawing to a nutty hands or with enough blockers to bluff that we probably can realize our equity.

It's a call IMO.

I think you're highly overestimating your ability to realize that equity OOP without initiative. That fact that we're connected and suited doesn't remotely guarantee that we get to the river (and thus realize our equity), especially when trying to realize the non-obvious parts of that equity (such as trips / two pairs / etc. that materialize on later streets after whiffing the flop).

GimoG