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01-22-2024 , 11:35 AM
V (UTG, 205) is a spacey 50-ish woman playing about 40-50 percent of her hands, mostly limping or calling limps. She almost never 3bets; she once called preflop with QQ in the CO. She’s transparent: in most hands, after she folds, or other people fold, she turns over her cards, including in this hand (results after 24 hours). She's rebought for 200 three times in three hours.

OTTH

V straddles UTG. Weak old man LJ calls. Hero with Ah6h on the button calls. Blinds fold. V checks.

Flop (15 after rake): Ad7h8h.

V bets 5. LJ calls. Hero raises to 15. V calls. LJ folds.

Turn (46 after rake): 7c.

V bets 15. Hero calls.

River (72 after rake): Ks

V bets 45. Hero folds.

Last edited by adonson; 01-22-2024 at 11:46 AM.
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01-22-2024 , 11:49 AM
Seems like a pretty easy fold given how passive she is.
Only interesting part is that toy chop with almost all other Ax.
But yeah, just fold.
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01-22-2024 , 12:39 PM
I think I still call the river.
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01-22-2024 , 01:51 PM
Could raise pre, but otherwise looks ok until the river. Call for the chop.
You said passive preflop but not much about postflop, except "transparent" ... so it could be AK or it could be some other ace maybe not realizing that their kicker does not play.
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01-22-2024 , 02:00 PM
There’s nothing wrong with overlimping this pre but raising is better.

A lot of dead money out there that is likely to just be scooped immediately. If not, you have a hand with post-flop playability against weak opponents in position. And if the blinds wake up with a hand and 3-bet, easy muck.

Raising flop is fine but I probably just call recognizing that passive villains are rarely leading an A high flop without Ax+ esp when we have the best draw. Calling will also keep worse FDs in.

AP, call turn but river is easy fold against this V. Chop at best and she has a bunch of conceivable boats.
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01-22-2024 , 02:47 PM
I think this is a close spot.

We need 28% equity against Villain’s range to profitably call river. Think about how many offsuit Ax combos Villain arrives with on the river, all of which we have 50% equity against.

Does Villain bet $45 on the river with just AJ here? I don’t know. Does Villain lead flop for $5 with a set or two pair and then just call a small raise on a wet board multi-way? I don’t know about that either. It’s a weird line. AK or K7 maybe? Even those hands would be played in a super strange manner though.

I think I would call here and expect to chop enough. It’s not impossible that Villain has some clueless spew like KQhh or K8s either.
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01-22-2024 , 07:05 PM
I just want to start by saying I love the descriptions of our opponents here.

Also - this is 1/2, right? Or is it 1/3?

PRE - Over-limping with a marginal hand when we have a post-flop skill advantage seems fine. I could also see putting in a raise here, to get one or the other to fold, or just take down the blinds and straddles without having to make a pair.

FLOP - My aggro instincts shout "raise". But Monday QB brain says just call.

Either V could have 2P, a set, or a better ace here. I think we can just flat call, and see if we can improve to 2P or hit that flush, before we start shoveling money into the pot.

TURN - Calling seems right. Seems less likely she has 7x or 87, especially when LJ calls-folds the flop. He might have initially called and then folded 7x or 8x. Feels like she has Ax.

RIVER - I kind of hate the fold, when the board pairs on the turn and the K comes on the river. We've got aces up with a K kicker. Being out-kicked is only a concern if she has AK, A8, or A7, and there aren't that many combos of any of those.

If she seems to over-fold to aggression, rather than being sticky with marginal hands, I think this could be a good spot for a raise, to rep AK or KK, and try to push her off a chop. I think especially after we raised flop and called turn, we have a lot of AK and KK in our range here.

If I'm doing the math right, she has $135-ish left behind, or 3x her river bet? I might jam.

If she has AK, A8, or 7x and calls, we're just going to lose. But she might lay down A8, and a lot of other AX hands we'd be chopping with.
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01-23-2024 , 11:15 AM
If I'm gonna raise the flop I'm raising more than 3x, it's basically a pot sweetener. I'm raising with only one objective which is to fold people out so if you don't think they're folding for 15 dollars with an ace just call.

Pre is fine with a straddle, if it was a limped pot w/o one I would raise pre btjm.
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01-23-2024 , 12:58 PM
I strongly disagree on those saying call river. V is described as transparent and implied to be very passive (described super passive pre).

Bets flop, gets raised, calls.
Turn significantly changes the nuts and she leads out then bets river on a scare card that is a bit too much (for this player type) to be a blocking bet hoping for a chop.

I don't think we are chopping enough.

The most transparent hand she has is 78.
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01-23-2024 , 01:24 PM
Results:

V peels a 7s and smiles, tilting her head back and forth.

I folded pretty quickly. After spacey loose passive limping woman barreled into three streets, I just had a feeling... Perhaps because I suck at poker, even after the K hit the river, I did not consider the equity from a chop with Ax. If V was GG, I would have called. But as the preflop straddler who checked, her floosy min-donk on the flop suggests she has has almost as many sevens in her range as aces.
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01-23-2024 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
If I'm gonna raise the flop I'm raising more than 3x, it's basically a pot sweetener. I'm raising with only one objective which is to fold people out so if you don't think they're folding for 15 dollars with an ace just call..
I was actually more concerned about a call from the LJ than V. LJ was calling wide with TPWK and straight and flush draws. Hand was easier heads-up against V. So I can see why, either call or, if you choose to raise, raise to 20 or 25 here.
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01-23-2024 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by adonson
Results:

V peels a 7s and smiles, tilting her head back and forth.

I folded pretty quickly. After spacey loose passive limping woman barreled into three streets, I just had a feeling... Perhaps because I suck at poker, even after the K hit the river, I did not consider the equity from a chop with Ax. If V was GG, I would have called. But as the preflop straddler who checked, her floosy min-donk on the flop suggests she has has almost as many sevens in her range as aces.
Your threads here haven't given me the impression you suck at poker. Noticing and understanding the likelihood of a chop on the river is something many players could miss in the heat of the moment.

If this was heads-up, I'd be more inclined to raise her donk-bet on the flop. Once LJ calls, then folds, I think it's reasonable to think how his likely range affects the range we're giving her. It seems reasonable to give him credit for more 7x and 8x hands than flush draws. With more 7x and 8x in his range, she has less in hers, and even less than that with the second 7 on the turn.

All that said - if you have a good read and trust it, and think she just never plays any Ax this way, and it's always 7x, folding is obviously correct. Taking the more aggro line I suggested would have just cost you more money.
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01-23-2024 , 04:16 PM
Overlimp on the button with a weak suited Ace is fine.

I would just fold pretty comfortably here, but then my basic heuristic is that if I'm contemplating calling for a chop then it's almost certainly just a fold.
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01-24-2024 , 10:40 AM
I think the hand was played fine. My only difference would be not raising the flop against a station. I would call and go for value after hitting. The tough part about this hand is what if the river is the Kh. I might be losing a big pot against this type of opponent.
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01-27-2024 , 03:07 PM
K River seems like a great river for your hand. Hard to fold that.

Also probably would have raised pre but limping a suited ace OTB can’t be that bad.
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01-27-2024 , 03:25 PM
Results?
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01-27-2024 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Results?

See post #10
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01-27-2024 , 05:05 PM
Raise pre. Fold river.
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