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08-24-2023 , 02:34 PM

davomalvolio

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Game is $2-$100 spread-limit (most you can bet is $100 over the previous bet).

Hand 1: Stack $300. UTG limps, EP raises to $12, I 3-bet to $45 with QhQc, UTG (who covers) calls, EP folds. Flop 8s6s4d. I check, EP bets $100, I raise to $200, UTG puts me all in for $255, I call.

Hand 2: Folds to Button who opens for $6. I 3-bet to $24 with AcKc in SB. BB cold-calls. Button cold-calls. Flop Ks8h4s. I check, BB bets $40, Button calls $40, I raise to $140, BB calls, Button folds. Turn 9c. I check, BB bets $100, I call. River 7h. I check, BB bets $100, I call.

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08-24-2023 , 05:34 PM

Mr Spyutastic

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If you constantly narrow your villain's ranges to the strongest parts of their range on the flop w/ all your one pair hands you are going to have a bad time by the river a lot of the time.

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08-24-2023 , 06:16 PM

QuadJ

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Hand 1: Preflop is fine. Yes, you have to call the shove. No your not going to win very often at that point but the board is wet enough that it's bad to fold. Raising this flop was a mistake. Your not going to have any problem getting your money in, waiting for a safe turn card gives you a chance to bail on a bad card.

Hand 2: Preflop is fine. Post flop is too aggressive for one pair. Either bet yourself or check/call.

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08-30-2023 , 07:57 AM

davomalvolio

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RESULTS:

Hand 1: Turn Jx River 2x, Villain mucks when he sees my hand. (Villain would donate about 5 buy-ins that day.)

Hand 2: Villain tables As5s. Guy’s been spending too much time in GTO land!

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08-30-2023 , 08:05 AM

OvertlySexual

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I cannot make any comment on optimal play when the biggest bet you can make is $100.

I did notice that you check raised both of these hands. In NL, both of them should have been small cbets.

The A5s guy obviously is a donk and has nothing to do with GTO.

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08-30-2023 , 09:02 AM

pokerfan655

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Hand 1 looks good - Hand 2 I would keep betting the turn. This is a game where people limp in and call big pre raises with wide ranges, so expect the villain to have a lot of Kx on the turn here.

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08-30-2023 , 09:58 AM

ChaosInEquilibrium

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Hand 1 looks fine.

Hand 2 why did you x/r flop and then check turn on a brick? Seems like you should keep barreling there. I wouldn’t expect a very large bluffing frequency from Villain on turn after you show a lot of strength.

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08-30-2023 , 10:12 AM

davomalvolio

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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium

On Hand 2 I just have to confess that I simply *felt* I was behind—that he’d flopped a set—and I decided I only wanted to lose 200 more dollars instead of 300. There was really no logic behind “he cold-called a 3-bet preflop and then stuck around after I check-raised the flop, he must have a monster.”

I called the River pretty much hoping we were chopping, because I couldn’t imagine what I would be beating.

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08-30-2023 , 11:51 AM

illiterat

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Originally Posted by davomalvolio

RESULTS:

Hand 1: Turn Jx River 2x, Villain mucks when he sees my hand. (Villain would donate about 5 buy-ins that day.)

Hand 2: Villain tables As5s. Guy’s been spending too much time in GTO land!

Hand 1 you should be able to get all the money anyway on good runouts (you are in position) ... I guess it's fine if UTG or/and EP are very wide and like to gamble, but against anyone not terrible it'll be 2pair+ and good draws ... also you probably got EP to fold an overpair, and UTG shouldn't raise as much vs. your raise (and raise more vs. you calling).

Hand 2 isn't GTO because robots aren't bluffing river with NFD, and I guess probably 3bet flop (pretty sure would shove flop in NL, but spread limit maybe it doesn't 3bet to 240 ... who knows).

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08-30-2023 , 12:55 PM

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ChaosInEquilibrium

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Originally Posted by davomalvolio

It is a bit strange/inconsistent that you raised flop (presumably for value) and then immediately felt you’re behind once you are called.

You should read up on limit poker stratrgy. It is very common to raise flop with top pair and go bet/bet/bet across three streets. You max value versus draws and top pairs and if opponent raises you lose max one extra bet, so downside is limited.

You’re sacrificing way too much value by checking turn in H2 IMO.

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