Hero raises JTdd otb 50 over 5 limpers, all call.

ES 500, Hero has 850 and covers various stack sizes between es and h.

Flop (300) Js 9d 7c

Checks to hero.

Bet (how much) or check? Ap Hero makes it 235 to go, V in ep crai, hero?

When there are 5 limpets and you are on the button with JTs I think it's pretty common leak to be raising.

I havent responded to any of your threads but Ive read several of them. Please post your graph, win rate and StnDev in the win rate thread. Inquiring minds want to know what a Super LAGs stats look like.

PS...You have to call now but I would never get myself into a spot like this.

Here's the last few sessions:

(1600) 4hr 2/5
(2000) 8hr 5/5 plo
200 3hr 2/5
(2000) 6hr 1/3, 2/5
1360 4hr 2/5
642 5hr 2/5
(1500) 7.5hr 5/5 plo
(900) 6hr 5/5 plo
(2300) 3hr 2/5
1895 2hr 2/5
(2200) 4hr 2/5

I posted my yearly results in the WR thread about two weeks ago just search.

Also yeah I don't have a problem blowing up pots in LP since I'm never getting pushback if V has less than 2p+, so it's a trivial fold - in this spot V has 800ish, so its about 550 to me to win 1800, odds seem fine.

What does ES 500 mean if its not "effective stacks 500"?

Yeah ES makes no sense if he has more than ES.

Vs 500 it's a snap call

vs 880, it's a fold.

More reads and more accurate postings next time.

So you're -$8403 in your last 70.5 hrs for -$119.19 / hr

Your win rate thread post showed -$3400 over 237 hrs I think it was for -$14 /hr.

I realize its a mix of games, but dont you think at this point you should rethink this Super LAG strategy of yours?

Raising to $50 with JTs after 5 limpers (who have to know your image and are never folding ) is suicide.

Quite honestly, yes. Mostly why I'm posting these hands. I feel like I either ran super hot in 2015 (22k year over 1000 hrs),and this is a regression to the mean scenario, or something worse

Edit not to derail this specific thread, but I did lose three +5k pots as a 70/30 favorite in the past 50hrs as well. (Set vs fd, topset/fd/big wrap vs little wrap, 2p vs overpair, all for stacks of 2.5k+)

Raise pre is fine. Now, 50 probably too much, although still comforming with the 5x+ 1bb per limper rule.

The fact that you got called from 5 people tells me that you either had a great table, or you were raising a ton in general. The latter is a mistake.

I don't like betting so much. You literally bet to protect against adverse runouts and get value from stubborn second pairs and gutshots. Really, there isn't too many hands to get value from. But if you are reraised, it's a tough spot. OTOH, you have a gutshot and a backdoor flush, so in light of the fact that a reraise puts you in a terrible spot, maybe checking isn't so bad. If you don't check, bet less, something like 40% of the pot.

As played, you need 30% equity and I am not sure you have it. Virtually every made hand beat you. AJ, KJ, QJ, J9, 97, straight beat you. You only beat J8. So where's the 30% equity coming from? You have to have driven people crazy so bad that they shove air and gutshots against 5 people because they don't believe you.

You can't fold vs a 500 stack, it's a poor fold.

and raising pre is not really fine a large % of the time on a table whre there is 5 limpers. odds are that's a loose table. You have SB/BB still left to act, then you have all the limpers.

It's not a small leak, it's a big one.

Overlimp pre.

AP, against 5 opponents, we should probably check this back. Hard to get value and can blown off our equity very easily.

Good point. I discount tpg/tk since I think most opponents are c/c me down since they know I'll empty the clip, and I get a lot of free rivers from this, but yeah 30% is
Optimistic and certainly unweighted

Es 500 means that one of the callers had 500, the V who crai had 800ish. Ie I open for 10% of ES pre

yes we have a multiway hand but we're otb, we're hardly going to flop anything anyway. 40 pre is good, but what the **** do I know you got 5 callers.

I would check the flop, too many draws hit that board that won't fold, and we're inflating the pot with top pair med kicker and we're 6 ways. Your cbet is way too high. Your building a pot with top pair med kicker, your over valuing your hand.

As played, what is the image of the villain? You came this far, and you do have equity vs his range anyway.

That's not what ES means. Effective Stacks means even though you may have $800, nobody else has more than the effective stack number that you showed ($500 in this case)

Yeah, thanks for replying to that Mike. I was about to explain.

@playbig if you were to raise $50 is the size. $40 is way too small. I think you can even go bigger.

I'm limping behind here, your not getting any Value and you are mitigating your positional advantage by bloating the pot.

As played on flop I'm checking behind. You're obviously not getting 3 streets of Value, you're rarely getting called by worse and rarely folding better.

It's a balance between denying opponents equity and realizing your own. On this board texture I'm inclined to check in order to gain more information on my opponents, get to showdown cheaper with a marginal holding and see what develops on later streets before I commit.

Useful thread, Ive been doing that wrong for years

Ty. As for V image, he overvalues draws, rather aggro, but he is donking TP. Rarely if never limp calling QQ+ I'd expect. So crai is alot of made hands and some oesd QT, prob no 86.

so we're 800 eff now? That's a big raise. Does he ever donk draws? Also, crai in a 6 way pot with people that have yet to act is usually very strong like a set on a drawy board.

That's exactly what it was (I called). I think I need a containment thread for fixing my general style of play. Every time I open a pot, I can pretty much guarantee 4-6 callers for 5x, and it'll be MW anywhere from 3-5 if I open 6-12x. Obviously I've done a LOT of advertising as my local card room, and it's time to make some adjustments and reap the rewards, I guess.